Repeal the Second Amendment

I get in FB spats all the time with a friend-of-a-friend who is an engineer, and like so many engineers is a libertarian/gun nut/right winger. She always says that doctors and engineers are conservative because they "specialize in the practical application of theory" whereas liberals are "still stuck on theory." And it's like, none of them has the tiniest sliver of insight into human nature or history or logic or how the world actually works. At all.

guess I work with a different kind of engineer than you do

thank god the engineers and doctors are around to keep the rest of us theoretically minded naifs on the straight and narrow.

guess I work with a different kind of engineer than you do

― Οὖτις, Friday, October 9, 2015 2:35 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Choo choo! All aboard!

haha um no

lol

I think handguns kill the most people, according to FBI or government stats I saw a couple weeks ago. That's why we need to amend the Second Amendment.

Professional Asshole Charles Krauthammer agrees the only way to stop gun violence is to repeal the 2nd Amendment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/another-massacre-another-charade/2015/10/08/e45d0004-6dec-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html

which is funny, because while he acknowledges that it would be the only surefire way to stop gun violence, he doesn't actually advocate it... with the implication being that he is actually in favor of mass gun killings? I guess? lol this fucking clown.

The reason the debate is so muddled, indeed surreal — notice, by the way, how “gun control” has been cleverly rechristened “common-sense gun-safety laws,” as if we’re talking about accident proofing — is that both sides know that the only measure that might actually prevent mass killings has absolutely no chance of ever being enacted...As for the only remotely plausible solution, Obama dare not speak its name. He made an oblique reference to Australia, never mentioning that its gun-control innovation was confiscation, by means of a mandatory buyback. There’s a reason he didn’t bring up confiscation (apart from the debate about its actual efficacy in reducing gun violence in Australia). In this country, with its traditions, public sentiment and, most importantly, Second Amendment, them’s fightin’ words... In the final quarter of his presidency, Obama can very well say what he wants. If he believes in Australian-style confiscation — i.e., abolishing the Second Amendment — why not spell it out? Until he does, he should stop demonizing people for not doing what he won’t even propose.

the idea is that this is the price of freedom and mature adults recognize it's worth it

the problem isn't mass murderers w guns it's... Obama not saying we should repeal the 2nd Amendment! Meanwhile I have absolutely no opinion about whether repeal is a good idea or not, let's just be sad about all these dead people.

god I hate this fucking guy so much, he should be run over with a steamroller

and, most importantly, the Second Amendment.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-roseburg-shooting-armed-protesters

Can't believe I even have to share a country with these people.

let's confiscate all their guns, dump them into the ocean so that they form a giant island, and invite them all to move there

Of course, rising sea levels will soon proceed to drown them on their gun island.

we can just add the guns to the pile of plastic in the pacific

and, of course, the Second Amendment.

is totally indestructible, could alternately be used as a sail or a raft or a blanket

Fuck'em. Let'em sink.

Speaking as an engineer, that coworker was fulla shit.

However, intelligence ain't shit in blocking dumb-ass beliefs. There are plenty of technolibertarian types who are very good at their particular subject matter area, but heavily socially damaged in many others. There was a great bit awhile back talking about either gamergate or MRA/Red Pill types having a very particularly screwed sense of hyperrationality, as if only they saw the world clear and clean and free of those nasty human feelings clouding everything.

There's a particularly epistemic closure that happens, and you don't know you're in it because you lack the perspective or cognitive mechanisms to be aware of your own limitations. People with very high numbers in their Intelligence stay but straight nil in Wisdom or Perception.

Always be aware that you are the figure in the portrait, and those can't tell what frame you've been mounted in. Something like that.

Intelligence stat, rather

I have just read about an idea that could assist the gun-control movement without the necessity of repeal of the second amendment. Call it the "well-regulated militia" movement.

It would require every owner of a gun to be enrolled in a state-regulated militia. The regulation of that militia could be a fruitful ground for making gun ownership a much less casual affair and for placing a large number of responsibilities on every gun owner. Failure to enroll in this militia would be a felony, and failure to comply with its regulations would require forfeiture of one's guns.

This seems much more politically possible than repeal and opens whole vistas of possibilities in those states where the gun owners are not politically in the driver's seat.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/02/what-liberals-dont-want-to-admit-about-gun-control/

i agree with this; most of the measures proposed by (mostly democrat) lawmakers wouldn't really do much. if we really want to reduce gun violence significantly we need to do what australia did: have a mandatory "buy back" of almost all handguns and assault weapons. or confiscate them.

'I need to protect myself with as much ammunition as I can get...'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/02/what-liberals-dont-want-to-admit-about-gun-control/

gonna re-post this b/c i think it's really important. stupid click-bait headline, as usual, but the points it makes are sound, i think.

successful prosecution of gun stores = one step closer to prosecuting gun manufacturers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/14/an-unprecedented-jury-verdict-orders-gun-shop-to-pay-nearly-6-million-to-injured-police-officers/

do you understand what a trendline is

― BRAAAAAAMETHEUS (El Tomboto), Saturday, October 3, 2015 8:25 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/this-chart/gallup-gun-control-spike

this is exactly the wrong approach: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gun-control-movement-retreats-to-revitalize-itself/2015/10/27/cabf918c-7ce4-11e5-afce-2afd1d3eb896_story.html

feel like our nascent lobbying group needs to give these guys a talking-to

has it been repealed yet

shakey, have you actually done anything besides starting this thread to move forward your goal of repealing the amendment?

lmao

I'm working on it

need some deep pocketed donors to get our lobbying operation off the ground, does anyone have a few million lying around

have you considered wearing a sandwich-board sign on a busy street corner?

or protesting gun shops w/ placards showing bullet-ridden dead bodies? it seems pretty clear to me that activist opposition to the second amendment doesn't come anywhere near the passion of activist opposition to abortion.

there are no gun shops in my city to protest against, unfortunately

but our lobbying group endorses this tactic

no gun ranges you can protest? i'm skeptical.

there are no gun ranges either, altho I think there must be some in the south and east bay...

There is a shooting range in South San Francisco, I believe.

yeah it's right off the freeway

yes, several. Also the big gun show they do at the cow palace several times a year.

yeah I've been to that one

Oddly a bunch of archery ranges. I'm less concerned about them though.

kinda don't think "activist opposition to abortion" is much of a model btw since most of that seems to consist of (a) blatant intimidation, harassment, and various forms of assault, (b) cynical application of misinformation, especially when seen in illustrated sandwich boards, and/or (c) getting the people on your side really riled up and pumped about the Enemy, rather than actually winning anybody over who doesn't agree with you.

kinda don't imagine you'll get a really great conversation going at the gun range but who knows. i'm kinda most interested in the idea of passing federal legislation requiring all gun owners to register with a set of newly reorganized and exceedingly well-organized state militias held to extremely brutal federal guidelines. gotta honor that second amendment! oh yeah and no assault or automatic weapons are required by militias so those have to be traded in. and all the ammo needs to be kept stored at the armory, since it's only going to be used in the event of ground invasion by the british.

Advocate for repeal, accept militia-based regulation as compromise

Is there actually a plan to do anything beyond advocating for gun control on ILX?

I plan to visit my in-laws next week but I don't think that's what you mean

Is there actually a plan to do anything beyond advocating for gun control on ILX?

well I already have a dayjob and 2 small children, so the degree to which I have time and money to commit to a massive national political lobbying operation is a little limited, but I'm open to suggestions

I mean I've signed up for newsletters and donated money to various people but I assume that's not what Mordy's talking about