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Listening to Kel Valhaal for the first time

:D

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:57 (four years ago) link

all of metal heard this song and cried and cried

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:58 (four years ago) link

just the best sort of annoying

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:00 (four years ago) link

Why would metal cry at what sounds like a CD of In The Nursery skipping?

jimmy falloff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 October 2015 03:44 (four years ago) link

seriously

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 8 October 2015 05:43 (four years ago) link

this album is brilliant. 'reign array' and 'follow II' the highights but it all makes sense to me.

twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:10 (four years ago) link

imo Kel Valhaal is totally their career highpoint to date, to the extent that you could bin near enough all their other songs and I wouldn't be too bothered

it's also kind of a nonsense setting up this imaginary confrontation with 'metal' - if I'd heard it first w/o knowing it was Liturgy I'd guess it had come from that Mego/PAN side of the tracks and wouldn't have given metal music/culture any consideration. which I'd say was a success wrt what I imagine Liturgy were trying to achieve here

these are my pincers and if you don't like them I have udders (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:11 (four years ago) link

yer right, but the narrative is so hard to escape

twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:15 (four years ago) link

I love this album, it's brilliant. It would be better maybe if some of the instruments sounded less artificial but I guess it goes well with the glitch elements. But it's an incredibly well-written record and it's certainly unique. I actually don't understand why Liturgy always get dumped on so much, they're one of the most creative and characterful bands around now imo.

Hunter H-H may allegedly be a pretentious pseud (never read the "manifesto", never will) but I don't why that's so enraging to metalheads. At least he's not a fucking fascist.

ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:54 (four years ago) link

Their live show is face-meltingly loud, almost as loud as Melt-Banana

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:55 (four years ago) link

there's a bit in a pitchfork interview where he and his bandmates are just wandering around a jewish steam-room being all reflective and euphoric and it's pretty much the perfect evocation of why everyone hates them and why they're awesome. fwiw i reckon HHH is probably a mensch irl

'follow II' is a song that must, MUST have been written with me in mind. it's scarily close to what i'd want from a seven and a half minute metal song

ha melt-banana are the best gig i've ever been to, will have to see liturgy if they come around here

twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:59 (four years ago) link

they're coming in a couple of weeks and I intend to be there

btw this album is absolutely extraordinary - 'follow II' is one of those pieces of music I'm staggered even exists - it feels like I must have dreamt it

twunty fifteen (imago), Saturday, 17 October 2015 21:40 (four years ago) link

Really, dude? Really?!

si monvmentvm reqvires, pvmpkin spice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 17 October 2015 22:51 (four years ago) link

Their live show is face-meltingly loud, almost as loud as Melt-Banana

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, October 8, 2015 12:55 PM (1 week ago)

That was not my experience.

sarahell, Saturday, 17 October 2015 23:12 (four years ago) link

Mine either (although when I saw them they were just two dudes).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 17 October 2015 23:23 (four years ago) link

Yeah really. What is the beef?

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 10:59 (four years ago) link

No beef! I just don't find it, uh, oneiric.

si monvmentvm reqvires, pvmpkin spice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 18 October 2015 11:26 (four years ago) link

To my ears it's charmless, depthless and so poorly produced as to be laughable; as someone who's listened to metal for thirty years and weird noise for twenty, I feel like I should be able to hear something in it that the fans hear.

So you guys can think I'm blind to it's grand beauty, I'll go back to listening to Tyranny and ignoring the fulsome praise people are heaping on Ark Work.

si monvmentvm reqvires, pvmpkin spice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 18 October 2015 11:31 (four years ago) link

I haven't seen The Ark Work get a good reception ANYWHERE outside a few scattered dudes with odd taste though. I understand your reaction though, sometimes I can't help but be baffled when I see lots of praise for something I think is objectively terrible.

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 18 October 2015 12:14 (four years ago) link

Seriously, this record is not popular. On RYM it has 2.71 out of 5 - for comparison's sake, Miley Cyrus And Her Dead Petz has 2.45. People are going well out of their way to pile on the hate. Even most of those who like it have severe reservations. Only a few mad souls are hip to Hunter's vibe, yo

(I think it is a crazy and ambitious experiment in sound and narrative that largely succeeds because rather than despite of the lengths it goes to to synthesise seemingly incongruent sonic palettes - it is an arrogant work, and all the better for this)

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 13:43 (four years ago) link

also it is bad

adam, Sunday, 18 October 2015 14:03 (four years ago) link

but less bad than the other liturgy records

adam, Sunday, 18 October 2015 14:04 (four years ago) link

honestly if they had made a whole album of "fanfare" I would be repping hard for these guys as an interesting (if not really related to metal) act - it develops really nicely, strikes me an an honest piece of "modern classical" writing

the rest of this is really pretty unoriginal to my ear, there are a ton of black metal bands from finland and norway and france who've been covering this kinda ground musically for ages. the one thing that's different is the indie-rock horns, or soft-horns, which I rather like in terms of what they're doing musically - but this whole Brooklyn approach to metal -- "it's black metal...plus horns! it's black metal...plus shoegaze!" is so tiresome. maybe just write good black metal and quit gunning for that BNM by being novel with the kitchen-sink biz?

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 18 October 2015 14:07 (four years ago) link

but less bad than the other liturgy records

I like the two previous albums a lot, but I haven't even made it through this one.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 18 October 2015 14:28 (four years ago) link

the other two felt like (per jd) brooklyny genre exercises while the new one is at least kind of absurd in its blog-bait nature (or whatever the 2015 equivalent is).

i think it is a little strange that for all the goofy black metal appropriations and corpse paint minstrel show stuff of the past 10 years no one has decided to mash up "good production" and "black metal." all the liturgy stuff sounds almost as crummy as some one man ukrainian nazi bandcamp shit despite having an infinitely larger recording budget.

adam, Sunday, 18 October 2015 15:08 (four years ago) link

despite having an infinitely larger recording budget

Where's your evidence for this? They're on Thrill Jockey, not Roadrunner or even Metal Blade.

Also, there are plenty of black metal bands with good production! The French bands sound amazing, as does Satyricon (who just made a double live album with a fucking orchestra) and probably a million others, going back to Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth in the late '90s/early '00s.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 18 October 2015 15:30 (four years ago) link

idk i feel like there are bands on thrill jockey that manage to record on a drumkit that's not made of papier-mache.

point taken re: french bm bands and the dimmu/cof type bands, though that stuff veers closer to over- rather than well-produced

adam, Sunday, 18 October 2015 15:38 (four years ago) link

i just want drums that sound good tbh. that cheesy deafheaven album has good drums

adam, Sunday, 18 October 2015 15:40 (four years ago) link

Seriously, this record is not popular. On RYM it has 2.71 out of 5 - for comparison's sake,

"Seriously, a site that thinks Madvillainy is one of the 100 greatest records of all time doesn't like this album"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 October 2015 17:59 (four years ago) link

there are a ton of black metal bands from finland and norway and france who've been covering this kinda ground musically for ages

to an extent, but I do often try to listen to such music and to my ears this sounds like it is genuinely up to something different, both in the use of shifting rhythms and the chiming rasping electronic textural overload - it is euphoric art-rock more than BM perhaps but this does not invalidate it

maybe just write good black metal and quit gunning for that BNM by being novel with the kitchen-sink biz?

I believe HHH when he says this is the closest he's gotten to recording the sound in his head. I don't suspect he'd be good at just good pop black metal because his heart would not be in it. he is a precocious little shit who's biting off barely as much as he cam chew - he is shooting at the moon because he can't see anywhere beneath it. I can well empathise with this - leave prudence and timeworn craft to those who have the patience to make such music. we need our stubborn innovators too, even if they're really truly in actual fact making 2007-era indie rock (comparable examples please)

also his songwriting narratives are p exciting to me - the way follow ii builds and then dissolves over and over again into the abyss - that is spectacular imo and I have heard an awful lot of spectacular music

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 18:26 (four years ago) link

Whiney yr not srsly going to make me cherrypick something worse outta the Acclaimed Music top hundred right

it's crude but it illustrates just how much antipathy the metal community, very many of whom post to RYM, has for the album

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 18:34 (four years ago) link

What other albums does this sound like? I thought it was fairly unique which is why it's been singled out for hatred. I mean if there's other stuff like this out there I want to hear it

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 18 October 2015 18:48 (four years ago) link

I just wish all the huffy dismissal that H3 gets was directed at Deafheaven tbh

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 18 October 2015 18:53 (four years ago) link

the two bands aren't really anything alike, which is why their mention rankles

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 19:31 (four years ago) link

but yeah, Deafheaven are turgid dullardry, I get the sense that Liturgy are seen as more 'anti-metal' though, which is a shame, because I thought the point of metal was to be extreme

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 19:33 (four years ago) link

because I thought the point of metal was to be extreme

only 15 year olds say that

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 October 2015 19:51 (four years ago) link

ok, I thought the point of metal was to convey the extremities of human experience, especially viz à vis death and the infinite

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 19:53 (four years ago) link

anyway, that isn't the post you all have to answer. the two posts in response to JCLC and Whiney are the ones you have to answer, not the sidetrack shit dissing deafheaven who shouldn't even be in this thread

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 19:55 (four years ago) link

I'm not sure you know much about metals history

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 October 2015 20:02 (four years ago) link

why did I give you all an easy tangent with which to berate me

state of music discourse on here I swear

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 20:52 (four years ago) link

which black metal albums pass the bechdel test?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 October 2015 21:37 (four years ago) link

I'm not sure you know much about metals history

― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 October 2015 21:02 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not being funny but how does this even matter?

If extreme metal's not forging onwards and upwards what's the fucking point?

I trawl through so many mediocre metal albums on a weekly basis I really wish metal wasn't so in love with it's own shitty "heritage."

ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:04 (four years ago) link

well imago tried to tell us that metal is supposed to be extreme etc yet he admits he has no interest in its history and hasnt listened to many old bands; so how does he know?

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:08 (four years ago) link

if he wasnt trying to tell some lifers what metal is about of course it wouldnt matter.

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:10 (four years ago) link

fwiw i prefer bands these days who do like to push on with the genre and if that includes 'brooklynisation' then so be it. imago and i like a lot of similar things, it just annoys me when he dismisses some stuff that at times is better than the examples he gives.

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:12 (four years ago) link

but i will defer any more replies to smithy as he puts it a lot better than I ever could.

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:13 (four years ago) link

"If extreme metal's not forging onwards and upwards what's the fucking point?"

fat beats. tasty likks. i will listen to all these mediocre metal records. okay, maybe not mediocre. but i will listen to all these par for the course metal records.

scott seward, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:29 (four years ago) link

do you know how many garage band hendrix covers i've heard in my life? 4,039,939. very few of them elevated the discussion. kinda love them all.

scott seward, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:31 (four years ago) link

i do not care for liturgy. the vocals really bug me though. i like the new ghost bath album! that's an album godspeed you black emperor fans would like. or agalloch fans. i dunno, they are just dorks from north dakota that pretended to be from china, but i dig it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnz7lcei1IA

scott seward, Monday, 19 October 2015 01:50 (four years ago) link

why is it people still buy into the myth of progress in music when it's been thoroughly debunked everywhere else

autopsy has been spinning their wheels for twenty years and are considerably better than any dozen BUT LOOK HERE, THEY PLAYED AN OUD ON THEIR METAL ALBUM bros

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 19 October 2015 01:53 (four years ago) link

This record is zany as hell and probably their best, I'm on board. Dude's vocals are still terrible though, this should've been an instrumental record.

Siegbran, Thursday, 14 November 2019 23:23 (one month ago) link

Gargantuan record. One might mistake the operatic flirtations and overcautious 'building up to a climax' for a flaw, but it's done so charmingly, so damn coy, while at the same time being integrated in their sound so very well. The opening notes leading up to the disarming nue of Exaco III and the beginning of the title song, man... Sincerity overrides pretentiousness, again and again. A masterpiece.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 25 November 2019 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

^^ my blurb for the AOTY albums poll rollout lol

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 25 November 2019 19:12 (two weeks ago) link


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