Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

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....so she gave up cartooning m/l to explore abandoned buildings? huh. ok. she sounds happier!

Nhex, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link

sort of. she returned to cartooning (in the NYer, among other things)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link

from FART PARTY to the New Yorker, what a world. good for her though. i do wonder what that Lizzy Kaplan TV series would've been like, also probably would have never watched it because of the title

Nhex, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 01:02 (eight years ago) link

Oh it would've been terrible

Just like a Joe Matt Peepshow show would've been terrible

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 02:02 (eight years ago) link

For real? Am I missing something here, that you can read that piece, all about the harassment and abuse this woman has been facing, and your main takeaway and point of discussion is the title "Fart Party"? You don't think that's a bit of an odd priority?

Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 06:35 (eight years ago) link

I don't think that's anyone's main takeaway and point of discussion (though of course as Shakey says sometimes an article can be great and not lead to much discussion)?

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 09:49 (eight years ago) link

Andrew, remember when I asked you at lunch last month, please not to explain "What Is Going On In A Thread On ILX To Me"? This is exactly the behaviour I was talking about.

I have formed, rightly or wrongly, an impression that this poster nhex is somehow implying that writing a comic with a scatological title is somehow a mitigating or justifying factor in experiencing harassment and stalking. Rather than say, flat out, "hey, that sounds a little too close to victim blaming" I am taking the time to ask if there is some other reason why they picked out that particular detail to dwell on, because it seemed weird and off to single out. So maybe there is another reason! Hence why I'm asking THAT poster. Not Andrew.

Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:29 (eight years ago) link

Er, I don't actually. We had a very pleasant lunch, because you (and me! and as far as I know everyone on ILX!) is actually perfectly socially nice in real-life, and then a little while later you texted me to not do something that I wasn't doing.

However, I remember that your text mentioned "if you have questions for/about me, please ask them directly" - it's not bad advice, all things considered.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:38 (eight years ago) link

Andrew, clearly I did not express myself well in that conversation/text exchange, but this is the thing, that I would prefer if you did not do.

I asked nhex a question. I'd like nhex to answer that question, so I can put my mind at rest.

Not have you explain to me what they meant, or tell me that I didn't need to ask the question. This is something that really bothers me, and I'd like if you didn't do it any more.

Now I consider this discussion over. Have a good day.

Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:41 (eight years ago) link

Then ask them privately! This is a public forum.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:43 (eight years ago) link

uh, no, i did not mean to imply that Wertz somehow deserved the harassment because of the title FART PARTY. thought it was obvious from my posts that i sympathized.
do i pass muster?

Nhex, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link

Wertz is a good writer, excellent cartoonist, obviously doesn't deserve the online and in person harassment. glad to see her career doing so well.

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link

and fart party was a regrettable name. but hey, i am not one to talk.

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link

she's posted an addendum. it is interesting to me that she's actively encouraging dialogue with her fans, soliciting/responding to emails, instead of holing up in a defensive "don't contact me!" way

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link

Addendum: I tried to address questions I received within this post, but if you have any others, or just general feedback, you can email me at juliajwertz(at)gmail(dot)com.

Second Addendum: I had no idea this post was going to blow up the way it did. I’d like to thank everyone who shared and supported it. I have received a lot of encouraging emails, for which I am very grateful. I’ve also received a lot of criticism, some of which was clearly overly defensive, and some that has been very insightful for me. People who criticized my repeated use of the words men and women have a good point, and I’ve adjusted some things accordingly. Those who pointed out the incompleteness of my post are right in that I was working with just one blog post and I didn’t want to write a novel. The topic is much more broad, of course, but this is just my small input. There is no shortage of other information online and in books about this issue, in no way did I mean to present my point of view as comprehensive, or to speak for anyone but myself and the women in my life with whom I’ve spent years discussing this with. And while I appreciated some of the criticism, I found it interesting that the emails which veered toward unnecessary semantic nitpicking all came from men. Not a single woman took me to task for my word choices. I am not going to get into that for sake of time, but I will leave it up to you to interpret that as you wish. And for the record, many of the emails I received were from men who were very supportive, some of whom even brought to my attention certain things I should elaborate on, which I might do at a later time. But for now, thank you to everyone who supported this piece.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link

aaand even more:

http://www.juliawertz.com/2015/10/05/addendum/

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...
one month passes...

Is this sexist?

"
"'Tokyo' is the story of a man who loses interest in his wife and fantasizes about leaving her. His loss of interest is not merely a reflection of his feelings, but rather his unwillingness to grow old and the challenge age puts to his ego. His experience illuminates our societal obsession with youth culture and our ingrained fear of aging and loss of power. We value women only in the virgin ideal, often because they are thought to be conquerable and and a vessel for validating dominance. We would prefer to live in the fantasy of young skin rather than face our growth and relinquish control to our inevitable death.
"

calstars, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 18:55 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Jesus God @ this: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/05/too-op-girls-only-panel-metrocon-florida-scientist/

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 03:24 (six years ago) link


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