Repeal the Second Amendment

Uh yeah far be it from anyone who hasn't had such a tragedy happen to them to tell them what to do. Can imagine some of them do. Can also imagine trying to not allow it to completely dominate their lives. Can also imagine not wanting to be around guns alot when you are kin to victim. Also not everyone is political and/or extroverted. There are a bunch of reasons. A better question is why aren't the people supposedly in charge (politicians) doing anything?

Why don't the families of shooting victims picket gun stores, gun shows, etc.?

because they might get shot?

just guessin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MyMKkjEaw

well at least my city's on the right track: https://www.yahoo.com/news/san-franciscos-last-gun-store-closing-doors-good-150556274.html

This reminds me of when a gun shop suddenly opened in Jersey City when I lived there, and within a few months of its open (1) the owner accidentally discharged a firearm in the store and (2) someone stole a handgun from an unlocked case during business hours

Gawker otm:

In order to achieve a realistic outcome, the anti-gun movement needs to fight, passionately and vociferously, for an unrealistic goal. Don’t campaign to expand background checks. Fight like hell to ban all private gun sales, and watch as expanded background checks becomes a politically palatable compromise.

Nothing is worse than a gun nut's smug smile when he explains that the weapons used are semi-automatic, legal, bought legally, and that the assailants passed background checks. Might as well repeal the Second Amendment.

yup, the argument makes it itself

as has been mentioned numerous times already - gun rights supporters already assume the left is 'coming for their guns' so the left may as well start trying to come for their guns.

what is there really to be lost in this proposition

Watching Ben Carson (of all people) tell me how he would have gone all superhero in a shooting situation has got to be one of the more sickening things I've seen lately. I would like him to explain tome how Obama going to Oregon is "politicizing the situation," while pretending to be Rambo on the talk show circuit is not. While we're busy arming and training kindergarten teachers, I hope all brain surgeons are open-carrying in the operating room.

i have to remind myself that carson et al are grown men and not 8-year-olds on the playground. his statement was worthy of the latter.

makes sense, given his grade school-grasp of evolution and other scientific issues

Repeal the Second Amendment everybody!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/10/09/1-dead-in-texas-southern-u-shooting.html

"According to KTRK, this is the third shooting on the TSU campus in the past two months, and the second at this apartment complex."

jfc

apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere but man... wtf is this bullshit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carson-suggests-that-gun-rights-might-have-prevented-the-holocaust/2015/10/08/99a82d9e-6df2-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html

xp good thing tx universities are permitting gun carry on campus starting next August! we will never have to hear about another mass shooting at a tx school again!

xp not sure what else there is to say abt this except fuck ben carson truly and sincerely. this idea is as absurd as it is completely and utterly offensive

conflating gun rights and ownership with one of the most pathos-inducing acts of institutional violence in history is hucksterism of a sort that few would stoop to. Takes a special brand of scum is what I'm saying

What kind of firearms were even realistically available for civilian ownership in Europe in the 1930s? I assume mostly hunting rifles?

Campus carry becomes legal on the University of Texas campus on August 1st, 2016... the 50th anniversary of the Charles Whitman Massacre.

The more Carson opens his mouth the more he's revealing himself to be a profoundly unintelligent person. Even just within the context of Republican presidential candidates.

He reminds me of a lot of people I've worked with who seemingly excel in the very narrow parameters of the specialized role they hold but who otherwise seem to be incapable of feeding themselves or crossing the street.

seems like the medical analog of the silicon valley type who thinks all problems related to anything from professional basketball to governance of the state can be resolved through application of their 'unique' logic and creative problem solving skills. the alternatives to current practice they suggest are usually similarly absurd and short sighted.

if you're smart one way, you're not guaranteed to be smart any other way, that would seem to be the lesson carson has not yet learned.

I get in FB spats all the time with a friend-of-a-friend who is an engineer, and like so many engineers is a libertarian/gun nut/right winger. She always says that doctors and engineers are conservative because they "specialize in the practical application of theory" whereas liberals are "still stuck on theory." And it's like, none of them has the tiniest sliver of insight into human nature or history or logic or how the world actually works. At all.

guess I work with a different kind of engineer than you do

thank god the engineers and doctors are around to keep the rest of us theoretically minded naifs on the straight and narrow.

guess I work with a different kind of engineer than you do

― Οὖτις, Friday, October 9, 2015 2:35 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Choo choo! All aboard!

haha um no

lol

I think handguns kill the most people, according to FBI or government stats I saw a couple weeks ago. That's why we need to amend the Second Amendment.

Professional Asshole Charles Krauthammer agrees the only way to stop gun violence is to repeal the 2nd Amendment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/another-massacre-another-charade/2015/10/08/e45d0004-6dec-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html

which is funny, because while he acknowledges that it would be the only surefire way to stop gun violence, he doesn't actually advocate it... with the implication being that he is actually in favor of mass gun killings? I guess? lol this fucking clown.

The reason the debate is so muddled, indeed surreal — notice, by the way, how “gun control” has been cleverly rechristened “common-sense gun-safety laws,” as if we’re talking about accident proofing — is that both sides know that the only measure that might actually prevent mass killings has absolutely no chance of ever being enacted...As for the only remotely plausible solution, Obama dare not speak its name. He made an oblique reference to Australia, never mentioning that its gun-control innovation was confiscation, by means of a mandatory buyback. There’s a reason he didn’t bring up confiscation (apart from the debate about its actual efficacy in reducing gun violence in Australia). In this country, with its traditions, public sentiment and, most importantly, Second Amendment, them’s fightin’ words... In the final quarter of his presidency, Obama can very well say what he wants. If he believes in Australian-style confiscation — i.e., abolishing the Second Amendment — why not spell it out? Until he does, he should stop demonizing people for not doing what he won’t even propose.

the idea is that this is the price of freedom and mature adults recognize it's worth it

the problem isn't mass murderers w guns it's... Obama not saying we should repeal the 2nd Amendment! Meanwhile I have absolutely no opinion about whether repeal is a good idea or not, let's just be sad about all these dead people.

god I hate this fucking guy so much, he should be run over with a steamroller

and, most importantly, the Second Amendment.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-roseburg-shooting-armed-protesters

Can't believe I even have to share a country with these people.

let's confiscate all their guns, dump them into the ocean so that they form a giant island, and invite them all to move there

Of course, rising sea levels will soon proceed to drown them on their gun island.

we can just add the guns to the pile of plastic in the pacific

and, of course, the Second Amendment.

is totally indestructible, could alternately be used as a sail or a raft or a blanket

Fuck'em. Let'em sink.

Speaking as an engineer, that coworker was fulla shit.

However, intelligence ain't shit in blocking dumb-ass beliefs. There are plenty of technolibertarian types who are very good at their particular subject matter area, but heavily socially damaged in many others. There was a great bit awhile back talking about either gamergate or MRA/Red Pill types having a very particularly screwed sense of hyperrationality, as if only they saw the world clear and clean and free of those nasty human feelings clouding everything.

There's a particularly epistemic closure that happens, and you don't know you're in it because you lack the perspective or cognitive mechanisms to be aware of your own limitations. People with very high numbers in their Intelligence stay but straight nil in Wisdom or Perception.

Always be aware that you are the figure in the portrait, and those can't tell what frame you've been mounted in. Something like that.

Intelligence stat, rather

I have just read about an idea that could assist the gun-control movement without the necessity of repeal of the second amendment. Call it the "well-regulated militia" movement.

It would require every owner of a gun to be enrolled in a state-regulated militia. The regulation of that militia could be a fruitful ground for making gun ownership a much less casual affair and for placing a large number of responsibilities on every gun owner. Failure to enroll in this militia would be a felony, and failure to comply with its regulations would require forfeiture of one's guns.

This seems much more politically possible than repeal and opens whole vistas of possibilities in those states where the gun owners are not politically in the driver's seat.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/02/what-liberals-dont-want-to-admit-about-gun-control/

i agree with this; most of the measures proposed by (mostly democrat) lawmakers wouldn't really do much. if we really want to reduce gun violence significantly we need to do what australia did: have a mandatory "buy back" of almost all handguns and assault weapons. or confiscate them.

'I need to protect myself with as much ammunition as I can get...'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/02/what-liberals-dont-want-to-admit-about-gun-control/

gonna re-post this b/c i think it's really important. stupid click-bait headline, as usual, but the points it makes are sound, i think.

successful prosecution of gun stores = one step closer to prosecuting gun manufacturers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/14/an-unprecedented-jury-verdict-orders-gun-shop-to-pay-nearly-6-million-to-injured-police-officers/