Repeal the Second Amendment

Alfred, I respect you.

The second amendment never got in the way of towns in the Old West banning guns in the city limits:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/did-the-wild-west-have-mo_b_956035.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/01/even-tombstone-had-gun-laws-047366#comments

I'd love to see a city and/or state prohibit guns within it's borders and then stand ground all the way up to the Supreme Court to force the issue.

This is worth reading:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41EVAkSxpdL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

The second amendment never got in the way of towns in the Old West banning guns in the city limits:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/did-the-wild-west-have-mo_b_956035.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/01/even-tombstone-had-gun-laws-047366#comments

I'd love to see a city and/or state prohibit guns within it's borders and then stand ground all the way up to the Supreme Court to force the issue.

― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, October 3, 2015 11:49 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hasn't that more or less happened e.g. in chicago... and the result was not what we would have hoped

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/us/mass-murderers-fit-profile-as-do-many-others-who-dont-kill.html?ribbon-ad-idx=16&rref=homepage&module=Ribbon&version=origin®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Home%20Page&pgtype=article

I would guess this is due to a. political polarization (you don't get to be a real republican if you support gun control in 2015) and b. crime going down. but unlike gay marriage, pot, there's really no sign that the political support for this is going in the right direction.

― iatee, Saturday, October 3, 2015 8:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the drop from the early to mid-90s is the result of the passage of the brady bill in late 93 and assault weapons ban in mid-late 94. the brief bump back up in 99 was columbine. i'd guess that the decline that begins in about april 2000 was probably related to the Presidential election (and the Federal agent seizure in the Elian affair?) of that year, after which things leveled off and started rising in the wake of the brutality of the Iraq war and as the AWB approached its sunset in mid-late 04. fear of a black president probably drove the decline from 2007 to the present, punctuated only by the huge bump caused by sandy hook.

everybody likes fantasies

― Vic Perry, Saturday, October 3, 2015 11:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're doing a very good job of talking to yourself

FactCheck on Gun Laws, Deaths and Crime. Won't necessary sway anyone's opinion, but worth a read:
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/

that factcheck piece proceeds from the possibly willfully stupid standard that gun control laws are only successful to the extent that they reduce gun deaths or violence below the rate extant in places without gun control laws and not, you know, below the rate that would obtain in the very same place in the absence of gun control laws. places with less gun control have less gun violence for the same reason that people who live in them are more accepting of weak gun restrictions - people in those very rural places are much fewer and farther between such that, among other factors, violent gun criminals are far easier to catch and recreational gun use is far less likely to injure or kill bystanders (to ignore suicide rates, accidents among gun users, etc.).

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/05/us/to-curb-gun-violence-hillary-clinton-has-a-plan-for-possible-executive-action.html

xp there's also always the problem of gun flow from neighboring states. E.g. DC, which (at least pre-Heller) had fairly strict gun laws, used to see a lot of guns come in via Virginia, which had very laxed gun laws. One of the biggest myths that I don't think gets challenged often enough is the "illegal guns" myth -- this is basically the flawed thinking behind "if owning a gun is a crime, only criminals will have guns." Illegal guns virtually always start as legal guns, so more barriers to legal access = more barriers to illegal access.

yeah isn't that one of the Mayor of Baltimore's big complaints, that there's a "gun corridor" that flows up and down the east coast, regardless of local gun laws

Alfred tweeted this, obviously for lolz but otm:
https://humanizingthevacuum.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/guns.png

Not saying it's a solution, but as a method to force government action.

Otherwise, we're just going to go through this again and again.

Why don't the families of shooting victims picket gun stores, gun shows, etc.?

photos of dead children on placards while they're at it

Uh yeah far be it from anyone who hasn't had such a tragedy happen to them to tell them what to do. Can imagine some of them do. Can also imagine trying to not allow it to completely dominate their lives. Can also imagine not wanting to be around guns alot when you are kin to victim. Also not everyone is political and/or extroverted. There are a bunch of reasons. A better question is why aren't the people supposedly in charge (politicians) doing anything?

Why don't the families of shooting victims picket gun stores, gun shows, etc.?

because they might get shot?

just guessin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MyMKkjEaw

well at least my city's on the right track: https://www.yahoo.com/news/san-franciscos-last-gun-store-closing-doors-good-150556274.html

This reminds me of when a gun shop suddenly opened in Jersey City when I lived there, and within a few months of its open (1) the owner accidentally discharged a firearm in the store and (2) someone stole a handgun from an unlocked case during business hours

Gawker otm:

In order to achieve a realistic outcome, the anti-gun movement needs to fight, passionately and vociferously, for an unrealistic goal. Don’t campaign to expand background checks. Fight like hell to ban all private gun sales, and watch as expanded background checks becomes a politically palatable compromise.

Nothing is worse than a gun nut's smug smile when he explains that the weapons used are semi-automatic, legal, bought legally, and that the assailants passed background checks. Might as well repeal the Second Amendment.

yup, the argument makes it itself

as has been mentioned numerous times already - gun rights supporters already assume the left is 'coming for their guns' so the left may as well start trying to come for their guns.

what is there really to be lost in this proposition

Watching Ben Carson (of all people) tell me how he would have gone all superhero in a shooting situation has got to be one of the more sickening things I've seen lately. I would like him to explain tome how Obama going to Oregon is "politicizing the situation," while pretending to be Rambo on the talk show circuit is not. While we're busy arming and training kindergarten teachers, I hope all brain surgeons are open-carrying in the operating room.

i have to remind myself that carson et al are grown men and not 8-year-olds on the playground. his statement was worthy of the latter.

makes sense, given his grade school-grasp of evolution and other scientific issues

Repeal the Second Amendment everybody!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/10/09/1-dead-in-texas-southern-u-shooting.html

"According to KTRK, this is the third shooting on the TSU campus in the past two months, and the second at this apartment complex."

jfc

apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere but man... wtf is this bullshit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carson-suggests-that-gun-rights-might-have-prevented-the-holocaust/2015/10/08/99a82d9e-6df2-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html

xp good thing tx universities are permitting gun carry on campus starting next August! we will never have to hear about another mass shooting at a tx school again!

xp not sure what else there is to say abt this except fuck ben carson truly and sincerely. this idea is as absurd as it is completely and utterly offensive

conflating gun rights and ownership with one of the most pathos-inducing acts of institutional violence in history is hucksterism of a sort that few would stoop to. Takes a special brand of scum is what I'm saying

What kind of firearms were even realistically available for civilian ownership in Europe in the 1930s? I assume mostly hunting rifles?

Campus carry becomes legal on the University of Texas campus on August 1st, 2016... the 50th anniversary of the Charles Whitman Massacre.

The more Carson opens his mouth the more he's revealing himself to be a profoundly unintelligent person. Even just within the context of Republican presidential candidates.

He reminds me of a lot of people I've worked with who seemingly excel in the very narrow parameters of the specialized role they hold but who otherwise seem to be incapable of feeding themselves or crossing the street.

seems like the medical analog of the silicon valley type who thinks all problems related to anything from professional basketball to governance of the state can be resolved through application of their 'unique' logic and creative problem solving skills. the alternatives to current practice they suggest are usually similarly absurd and short sighted.

if you're smart one way, you're not guaranteed to be smart any other way, that would seem to be the lesson carson has not yet learned.

I get in FB spats all the time with a friend-of-a-friend who is an engineer, and like so many engineers is a libertarian/gun nut/right winger. She always says that doctors and engineers are conservative because they "specialize in the practical application of theory" whereas liberals are "still stuck on theory." And it's like, none of them has the tiniest sliver of insight into human nature or history or logic or how the world actually works. At all.

guess I work with a different kind of engineer than you do

thank god the engineers and doctors are around to keep the rest of us theoretically minded naifs on the straight and narrow.

guess I work with a different kind of engineer than you do

― Οὖτις, Friday, October 9, 2015 2:35 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Choo choo! All aboard!

haha um no

lol

I think handguns kill the most people, according to FBI or government stats I saw a couple weeks ago. That's why we need to amend the Second Amendment.

Professional Asshole Charles Krauthammer agrees the only way to stop gun violence is to repeal the 2nd Amendment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/another-massacre-another-charade/2015/10/08/e45d0004-6dec-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html

which is funny, because while he acknowledges that it would be the only surefire way to stop gun violence, he doesn't actually advocate it... with the implication being that he is actually in favor of mass gun killings? I guess? lol this fucking clown.

The reason the debate is so muddled, indeed surreal — notice, by the way, how “gun control” has been cleverly rechristened “common-sense gun-safety laws,” as if we’re talking about accident proofing — is that both sides know that the only measure that might actually prevent mass killings has absolutely no chance of ever being enacted...As for the only remotely plausible solution, Obama dare not speak its name. He made an oblique reference to Australia, never mentioning that its gun-control innovation was confiscation, by means of a mandatory buyback. There’s a reason he didn’t bring up confiscation (apart from the debate about its actual efficacy in reducing gun violence in Australia). In this country, with its traditions, public sentiment and, most importantly, Second Amendment, them’s fightin’ words... In the final quarter of his presidency, Obama can very well say what he wants. If he believes in Australian-style confiscation — i.e., abolishing the Second Amendment — why not spell it out? Until he does, he should stop demonizing people for not doing what he won’t even propose.