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"Well, what do you want?" Sotan's voice had such power that the monk's voice was reduced to a whisper.
"I want to understand the Great Matter please."
"Whose Great Matter?" was the teacher's brusque response.
"Um, mine . . . "
"What? Yours? If it's just you alone, what does it matter?" Sotan responded with a laugh.

the insane Dr. Morbius and his HOOSical steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

@kanyewest (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

love this thread

sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

oh man do i wish i'd found this thread sooner <3

notes:
- zen assholes OTM. "peace of soul" and "somethin' to cry about" are straight-up fire.
- i'd never heard the shock troops thing but the community i grew up in had a reputation as zen boot camp so maybe there's something to it
- it's really easy to overstate the whole hitting thing, but i can see why dudes do
- respect to get bent's boss but bitch-sama domo

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Bodhidharma was out on the town one night, parking lot pimping in his boy's Nissan Titan. He tried to holla at some chick who started acting bougie, so Bodhidharma and some other dudes ran a train on her. "You see," said Bodhidharma, "I have given you peace of soul."

― dylannn, Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:39 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark

lololololol

great thread guys

cnn and the holograms (daria-g), Friday, 15 May 2009 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

not zen and not asshole per se really but <3 <3

The scene: a Buddhist conference in Berlin. Among the many panels and presentations, some teachers have come to give workshops as well. One such elder is an eminent Tibetan lama; he has been giving instruction on The Praise to the Twenty-One Taras. It is now time for questions and answers.

A young man with furrowed brow requests to speak. He asks in broken English, “Rinpoche, for many years now I have been your student. I am committed to the practice but I have the doubt. I am very willing to do the pujas, the visualizations, the prostrations, but it is very hard to have the whole heart in it, because I have this doubt: Tara, is she really there? Sometime you talk like she is a real person, but sometimes you say she is the wisdom of Buddha Amoghasiddhi, or just a skillful means.

If I could know for sure, I would redouble my efforts. So, Rinpoche, Tara, does she really exist or does she not?!”

For a few moments the lama ponders, then raises his eyes to meet those of his inquirer. A smile spreads across his face.

He responds, “She knows that she is not real.”

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 08:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I know that tamer versions of this one are more common....

A traveler comes upon a Zen monk burning a statue of Buddha.

"Why are you burning the Buddha?"

"To get to its essence!"

"There is no essence in a statue."

"Well then give me another so I can warm my ass with it!"

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 08:33 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

anyone read Jed McKenna?

Flab (wanko ergo sum), Monday, 23 November 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link

great thread. i think the caricatures of zen masters are hilarious. i always found this one funny:

Seung Sahn would say, "When you eat, just eat. When you read the newspaper, just read the newspaper. Don't do anything other than what you are doing."

One day a student saw him reading the newspaper while he was eating. The student asked if this did not contradict his teaching. Seung Sahn said, "When you eat and read the newspaper, just eat and read the newspaper."

GEDDY LEE JAZZ MINT (Future_Perfect), Monday, 23 November 2009 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

According to The Platform Sutra, Shen Hui asked the Sixth Patriarch: "When you sit in meditation, High Master, do you see or not?"

The Master hit him three times with his stick and asked: "When I hit you, does it hurt or not?"

this guy is my favorite

omicron deserved 51 (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 23 November 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"fuck you. I have no time for bullshit, gotta get my zen on"

omicron deserved 51 (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 23 November 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

honestly i think the reason i like buddhism is because they have the best jokes

itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Monday, 23 November 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

You saying Judaism isn't funny? RELIGIOUS WAR.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 November 2009 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link

<3 seung sahn <3

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 23 November 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Hideki Matsui wasn’t the only former Yankee at the Stadium on Tuesday collecting his World Series championship ring. Jerry Hairston Jr., who now plays for the Padres, surprised his old teammates by taking a red-eye flight after his game Monday in San Diego to take part in the ceremony.

When Jorge Posada spotted Hairston in front of the dugout, he shook his head and asked why he was there.

“I flew here,” Hairston said.

“Why?” Posada asked.

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I want a band named after this thread stat.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link

when the monks argued over which wing of the monastery owned the cat, nansen brandished a sword and told them to say a word sufficient to save it. when they could not he chopped the cat in half.

when nansen told joshu of this, joshu took off his shoes, put them atop his head, and left the room. nansen: ah, u would have saved the cat.

tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

does every zen story involve wearing articles of clothing in inappropriate places

fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

the good ones, yes

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I think that last one is supposed to be about appreciating close friends?

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link

heh we have whole threads about what catholic assholes get up too.

Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

There was an old woman in China who had supported a monk for over twenty years. She had built a little hut for him and fed him while he was meditating. Finally she wondered just what progress he had made in all this time.

To find out, she obtained the help of a girl rich in desire. "Go and embrace him," she told her, "and then ask him suddenly: 'What now?'"

The girl called upon the monk and without much ado caressed him, asking him what he was going to do about it.

"An old tree grows on a cold rock in winter," replied the monk somewhat poetically. "Nowhere is there any warmth."

The girl returned and related what he had said.

"To think I fed that fellow for twenty years!" exclaimed the old woman in anger. "He showed no consideration for your need, no disposition to explain your condition. He need not have responded to passion, but at least he could have evidenced some compassion;"

She at once went to the hut of the monk and burned it down.

ledge, Saturday, 2 February 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

Amanda Palmer invokes her Zen philosophical stance at the beginning of a recent blog where she is googling her own name, which is something she seems to do all the time.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 2 February 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

nine years pass...

And it was at the hour of sunset that they came to the foot of the mountain. There was in that place no sign of life,—neither token of water, nor trace of plant, nor shadow of flying bird,—nothing but desolation rising to desolation. And the summit was lost in heaven.

Then the Bodhisattva said to his young companion:—“What you have asked to see will be shown to you. But the place of the Vision is far; and the way is rude. Follow after me, and do not fear: strength will be given you.”

Twilight gloomed about them as they climbed. There was no beaten path, nor any mark of former human visitation; and the way was over an endless heaping of tumbled fragments that rolled or turned beneath the foot. Sometimes a mass dislodged would clatter down with hollow echoings;—sometimes the substance trodden would burst like an empty shell….Stars pointed and thrilled; and the darkness deepened.

“Do not fear, my son,” said the Bodhisattva, guiding: “danger there is none, though the way be grim.”

Under the stars they climbed,—fast, fast,—mounting by help of power superhuman. High zones of mist they passed; and they saw below them, ever widening as they climbed, a soundless flood of cloud, like the tide of a milky sea.

Hour after hour they climbed;—and forms invisible yielded to their tread with dull soft crashings;—and faint cold fires lighted and died at every breaking.

And once the pilgrim-youth laid hand on a something smooth that was not stone,—and lifted it,—and dimly saw the cheekless gibe of death.

“Linger not thus, my son!” urged the voice of the teacher;—“the summit that we must gain is very far away!”

On through the dark they climbed,—and felt continually beneath them the soft strange breakings,—and saw the icy fires worm and die,—till the rim of the night turned grey, and the stars began to fail, and the east began to bloom.

Yet still they climbed,—fast, fast,—mounting by help of power superhuman. About them now was frigidness of death,—and silence tremendous….A gold flame kindled in the east.

Then first to the pilgrim’s gaze the steeps revealed their nakedness;—and a trembling seized him,—and a ghastly fear. For there was not any ground,—neither beneath him nor about him nor above him,—but a heaping only, monstrous and measureless, of skulls and fragments of skulls and dust of bone,—with a shimmer of shed teeth strown through the drift of it, like the shimmer of scrags of shell in the wrack of a tide.

“Do not fear, my son!” cried the voice of the Bodhisattva;—“only the strong of heart can win to the place of the Vision!”

Behind them the world had vanished. Nothing remained but the clouds beneath, and the sky above, and the heaping of skulls between,—up-slanting out of sight.

Then the sun climbed with the climbers; and there was no warmth in the light of him, but coldness sharp as a sword. And the horror of stupendous height, and the nightmare of stupendous depth, and the terror of silence, ever grew and grew, and weighed upon the pilgrim, and held his feet,—so that suddenly all power departed from him, and he moaned like a sleeper in dreams.

“Hasten, hasten, my son!” cried the Bodhisattva: “the day is brief, and the summit is very far away.”

But the pilgrim shrieked,—“I fear! I fear unspeakably!—and the power has departed from me!”

“The power will return, my son,” made answer the Bodhisattva…. “Look now below you and above you and about you, and tell me what you see.”

“I cannot,” cried the pilgrim, trembling and clinging; “I dare not look beneath! Before me and about me there is nothing but skulls of men.”

“And yet, my son,” said the Bodhisattva, laughing softly,—“and yet you do not know of what this mountain is made.”

The other, shuddering, repeated:—“I fear!—unutterably I fear!…there is nothing but skulls of men!”

“A mountain of skulls it is,” responded the Bodhisattva. “But know, my son, that all of them ARE YOUR OWN! Each has at some time been the nest of your dreams and delusions and desires. Not even one of them is the skull of any other being. All,—all without exception,—have been yours, in the billions of your former lives.”

ledge, Friday, 11 November 2022 15:19 (one year ago) link

Wtf

| (Latham Green), Friday, 11 November 2022 15:41 (one year ago) link

I'd say the Bodhisattva is pretty nice, considering the situation of endless death and rebirth.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link

'sorry, this sucks i know.'

ledge, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:59 (one year ago) link

am I the (zen) asshole

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 11 November 2022 17:30 (one year ago) link

the way is rude

the late great, Friday, 11 November 2022 17:37 (one year ago) link

Koan :

The turtle sticks is head into a bottle. The wind blows at his tail!
Therefore, the sticks in the field and brown.

| (Latham Green), Saturday, 12 November 2022 04:26 (one year ago) link


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