Should Pope Francis sell the family jewels?

so this is happening literally in my neighborhood. traffic already getting crazy. they told residents to buy all their groceries beforehand bc it's gonna be like a snowstorm hit and apparently i have to carry id w address so i can get through barricaded areas to get home. i will give updates if any of them are interesting.

On Sunday, Pope Francis did some off-script advice-giving to “existentially sad” Millennials in Cuba. One gem: “In Argentina, we say, ‘Don’t be wimpy.’”

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/pope-francis-advice-to-millennials-cuba/406435/

is the pope offering free conversions?

are there any photos w/ Fidel?

They were covering the Pope's arrival on the radio driving home, and all I could think was "This would be a great time for my Yamaha spot."

I don't know anything about religion.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4gU5aghpxEk/Ves5a1wOpdI/AAAAAAAANk8/7Su2-n_e704/s1600/Francisco%252C%2Bel%2Bpadre%2BJorge.%2BPel%25C3%25ADcula%2B560.jpg

everywhere around me, posters

il papa copter about to land 500 feet below us, everyone at the windows

such a lot of fuss over a CEO

saw him for about 5 secs, tiny Argentinian snowflake

Did you heckle him?

double pane of glass, 500 ft etc

plus Obama has landed there and he's actually killed, i didnt get up from my seat for that shit

well, Francis has forgiven pedophiles, so they cancel each other out before Minos.

Not sure if this belongs in things that should be Onion articles or not. You could have told me this was a new song from The Who and I would believe you.

http://pitchfork.com/news/61369-pope-francis-to-release-rock-album-shares-first-song-wake-up-go-go-forward/

Well until the latin(?) singing.

would pay to hear francis sing "we're not gonna take it"

lotta church ladies in lower Manhattan for lunch

And all the old ladies there
Are on their way to church
"Ya goin' to church?!"

how many people here like to take a taste of eucharist

I got no beef with people who take communion. It's a ritual. It's supposed to make symbolic and emotional sense, so of course it's nonsense in terms of purely materialistic rationalism, but then, materialistic rationalism is just boring when it's not being actively annoying.

if you're Catholic, it's the literal Body of Christ, and that's dawgma

yeah but nobody but nobody has ever believed that

It's a compassionate action so it's preferable to all the crossplay.

xp more like POP francis

do you believe in magic, darraghmac?

we're gonna need to sit down and strictly define some terms here imo

http://cdnph.upi.com/sv/b/i/UPI-3161360593182/2013/11/13605984522532/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-The-best-pope-memes-so-far.jpg

well looks like the K Davis thing has awakened NPR liberals to the fact that il papa ain't one of them

normally would never link to one of slate's "here's why conventional wisdom is wrong" pieces, but i thought this article actually did a decent job of putting the pope's views in the context of non-u.s. catholic opinion and the history of catholic leftism:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/pope_francis_in_the_united_states_why_he_isn_t_the_liberal_rock_star_american.html

Perhaps he could hold some views that you like and some that you don't. You know, consider him a complex human being rather than an on/off switch for your own worldview. Nah, impossible.

tbh there's something a bit rich about american liberals criticizing the pope over his failure in this one particular department considering that barack obama and hillary clinton both opposed same-sex marriage till three years ago.

Davis thing is a little odd, since when are evangelicals down with the papists

I guess they love Santorum...

This is like discovering that the pope is catholic.

Personally, I appreciate the fact that, although Francis accepts the prevailing dogmas about abortion, contraception and homosexuality, he has taken steps to de-emphasize them as important issues for the church, as compared to pursuing its primary mission of compassion for the poor, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and charity toward all. This strikes me as the most sensible path he could take, given that changing those dogmas would be highly unrealistic. He might have a bit of wiggle room on ordination for women and marriage for priests, but that would result in fighting a civil war inside the church.

tbh there's something a bit rich about american liberals criticizing the pope over his failure in this one particular department considering that barack obama and hillary clinton both opposed same-sex marriage till three years ago.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.

pretty sure I and many others criticized HRC (those initials are so perfect) and Obama for this too

Not only is Aimless OTM, but any other view is childish.

a jesuit tries to make sense of the papal visit with davis, somewhat apologetically

http://papalvisit.americamedia.org/2015/09/30/the-pope-and-kim-davis-seven-points-to-keep-in-mind/

davis's lawyers recently had to fess up that no, a picture taken of a massive prayer rally in peru was NOT held in kim davis's honor, so, it's really not surprising that they are telling us to treat this as a full papal endorsement

xp dude knows how to close strong: Meeting with the pope is a great honor, but it does not betoken a blanket blessing on “everything” one does. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Pope Francis also met Mark Wahlberg, and that does not mean that he liked “Ted.”

Davis an insignificant 15-minute troll everyone will forget about by next year. GOP/evangelicals are hyping her up out of futile desperation. Pope's just trying to stay current.

What is he supposed to do "I cast you DOOOOOWWWN!!!"

burn her at the stake maybe

seriously, these people are inveterate liars.

davis's lawyers recently had to fess up that no, a picture taken of a massive prayer rally in peru was NOT held in kim davis's honor, so, it's really not surprising that they are telling us to treat this as a full papal endorsement

― goole, Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:47 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

an insignificant 15-minute troll everyone will forget about by next year

this season's terry schiavo

to be fair to Schiavo, she had no idea she was being used for trollbait

Personally, I appreciate the fact that, although Francis accepts the prevailing dogmas about abortion, contraception and homosexuality, he has taken steps to de-emphasize them as important issues for the church, as compared to pursuing its primary mission of compassion for the poor, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and charity toward all. This strikes me as the most sensible path he could take, given that changing those dogmas would be highly unrealistic. He might have a bit of wiggle room on ordination for women and marriage for priests, but that would result in fighting a civil war inside the church.

this is how i feel FWIW. like anyone else the pope is operating within constraints. we shouldn't expect him to toss off his robes and shout "abortions for /everyone/!," and even if he did, it wouldn't be nearly as useful as using his (literal!) pulpit to call for economic justice, action on climate change. that doesn't mean the pope and the church are above criticism, far from it. but that we need to take these things in context, and here the context is the long history of the catholic church, the divided nature of the church itself (with congregations outside of north america being very passionate about economic justice and very conservative on many personal liberties), and the approach taken by previous popes (say "previous popes" a few times really fast btw; it's fun!).

reactions to the pope's visit have been a good litmus test btw of how good my facebook, etc. friends are at political nuance. a lot of them are like "SAVE US MR POPE!" and others are like "RELIGION BAD!"

really the only people who should be surprised are TV pundits

by etc. i guess i mean, like, in real life. which is often the same group as my facebook friends. but i'm not very social so most of the political "conversations" i have (apart from those with my S.O.) are online.

"Why should we care what he thinks" is my a numb-brained response I see from a good number of left-ish fb friends.

Charles Piece, normally not a credulous sort but a Catholic nonetheless, takes this rather hard.

whoa, that is way too inside baseball for me.

to cut to the chase -- does it seem that the pope actually endorsed kim davis's actions or did he just meet with her and her followers/exploiters are spinning it that way?