also just listened to 10 Ribs/Carrot Pod Pod, one of the few genuine "rarities" in this whole series but kinda neat I guess, funny for Zeppelin...almost feel like I'm listening to the basic track of a pretty good Wings song
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link
So far very little from the outtakes/rarities on the new remasters has really grabbed me.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link
the one on LZ I that sounded like The Who was kinda good
I don't even know why they bothered really, I guess to make extra dough but I guess everyone who said there was really nothing there to bootleg was right, I mean "Travelling Riverside Blues" off the old box set is the only thing that felt like a proper new Zep song.
but as far as the vinyl quality and remaster etc, these are great
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, "La La" is probably my favorite of all the outtakes, but it's seriously slim pickings. Most of the rough mixes are barely discernible from the masters, and on ITTOD, the "alternate mixes" just sound like a 3rd-generation cassette dub of the LP.
Everything on the Coda set could've easily fit on two discs; nice of them to pointlessly spread it out to 3, and price it accordingly.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link
In a weird way I wasn't that upset about it because it made it easy to not even consider the deluxe editions and just get the regular reissues
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link
You'll love the next wave of reissues, when they tag that Puff Daddy song at the end of Physical Graffiti.
― pplains, Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link
Crap this is fun, here's my Presence/Out Door/Coda:
Fool In The RainNobody's Fault But MineFor Your LifeIn The EveningAll My LoveSouth Bound SaurezAchilles Last StandWearing and Tearing
― campreverb, Thursday, 17 September 2015 15:04 (eight years ago) link
i couldn't tell any difference between "Two Ones are Won" and "Achilles," what's going on there?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 17 September 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
Voted for Tea for One with Nobody's Fault a close close 2nd.
The vocal performance on Achilles always bothered me. I know Plant was recovering from injury at the time, but it's unfortunate that carried over into his takes.
― octobeard, Thursday, 17 September 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
never notice how crazily loud the bass guitar is mixed on "For Your Life", it's awesome
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 September 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
wtf is 'Saurez' anyway
― calstars, Friday, 18 September 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
a typo
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 18 September 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
Why on earth do I keep singing sections of Level 42's "Something About You" over "10 Ribs & All"?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
...and "Carrot Pod" sounds like the jam of an early 80s SNL credits roll
...which is not to say I don't like this obsurity!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 27 September 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link
do you do you wannaaaaa
― flappy bird, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 28 September 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link
Yup, could totally predict that top 2.
― Turrican, Monday, 28 September 2015 00:51 (eight years ago) link
I was going to make a playlist of the winners for each album but it looks like we haven't done polls for I, II and IV. Or I just can't find them.
― Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Monday, 28 September 2015 01:17 (eight years ago) link
(kinda surprised Carouselambra didn't win for ITTOD)
― Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Monday, 28 September 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link
If I had to pick one besides Achilles though, it'd be For Your Life, I love that groove in the middle ("Do you really really wanna?")
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:38 (eight years ago) link
Why wasn't this well received when it came out? It's one of the most well produced rock records I've ever heard, and it's the most muscular thing they ever did. Over saturation after conquering the world in the first half of the '70s? I don't find Plant's vocals strained at all, despite his condition.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
ccording to Dave Lewis, "The direct, hard-hitting nature of the seven recordings failed to connect with a fan base more accustomed to the diversity and experimental edge of their previous work.[ 21 ] Page later acknowledged that, because the album conveys a sense of urgency resulting from the troubled circumstances in which it was recorded, "it's not an easy album for a lot of people to access ... [ I ]t's not an easy album for a lot of people to listen to."[ 22 ]
However, despite its initially subdued reception, Lewis considers that Presence
has become a much underrated element of their catalogue. The basic drums-bass-guitars formula may lack the diversity of previous Zeppelin sets, but in terms of sheer energy, 'Presence' packs a considerable punch, and has emerged as one of their most potent performances... This album is also a triumph for Jimmy Page. His production and dominant guitar style has an urgency and passion that reflects the troubled period that the group were going through at the time. 'Presence' is Led Zeppelin with their backs against the wall.[ 3 ]
― a man a plan alive (man alive), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 03:55 (seven years ago) link
The way I see it, Plant and Bonham were the core of LZ, with Page and Jones adding color
― calstars, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
I dont think this band works if you remove any of the four, they're all crucial
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:30 (seven years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 February 2017 12:32 (seven years ago) link
(everyone immediately disagrees on said third track)
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 February 2017 12:33 (seven years ago) link
Plant was always the weakest link in this band.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
Οὖτις OTM, these are both insane positions imo:
The way I see it, Plant and Bonham were the core of LZ, with Page and Jones adding colorPlant was always the weakest link in this band.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
Well, let's think about this...
Remove Bonham and you remove the excellent, hard-hitting rhythms.
Remove JPJ and you remove the excellent, often intricate bass work and superb keyboard and/or string arrangements.
Remove Page and you remove the riffs.
Remove Plant and you remove the guy that goes "oOoOoOoOoOo" and shrieks half-inched blues lyrics and stuff about Lord of the Rings over a superbly played backing track.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
I mean, I wouldn't want to remove any one element from Zeppelin's music, but if I had to...
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), M
so replace him with Bryan Ferry then
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Ian Gillan.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
Shakey OTM. The focus shifts continually, but they all have to be in the frame.
― scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
Plant's the guy writing the melodies over the tunes. I don't think any other vocalist of his generation would have made the same melodic choices; put any other hard rock vocalist of the era in Plant's position and the lyrics would remain baby-baby British blues stuff anchored to the tonic. Plant's solo work, whose peaks are lofty indeed, bears this out: he's a great musician with real vision.
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
Put any other hard rock vocalist in Plant's position and the singing on 'The Song Remains The Same' may have been far more tolerable.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
#hotsonfornowhere
― calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 00:43 (six years ago) link
The assessment of this album being 'Achilles Last Stand' and 'Nobody's Fault But Mine' plus a lot of sub-par Zeppelin is still OTM.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:19 (six years ago) link
you're so wrong I don't even know where to start
― calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 12:18 (six years ago) link
otm
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 November 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
― calstars, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. the rhythm section is so weird on this song. the way the drums switch to doubletime but the rest of the band keeps the same tempo so funky and disorienting
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
Very difficult song to play drums on, for sure. Even air drumming the fills on the “oh oh” part is hard as fuck
― calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
my favorite Zeppelin album
― flappy bird, Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I'll never understand that - not when this band released six stone cold classics in a row prior to this, which was their weakest record up to that point until they followed it up with one worse.
It's another one of those records that suffers from "Gaucho syndrome" - where people actually got it right first time around.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:55 (six years ago) link
It's easy to understand if you consider every Zep LP (exceot ITTOD) the best one.
And yeah, HOFN is a jam
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link
Presence isn't as good as most of the other Zeppelin albums, no. It's more fragmented. It suffers by comparison. It's still considerably better than "two good songs and nothing" -- that's, like, weirdly "is it a banger or not???" thinking. Zep are considerably more interesting than that imo
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:28 PM (two hours ago)
same, by a mile
― WilliamC, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:18 (six years ago) link
and this isn't the fault of any of the records, but Presence is also the least culturally saturated Zep LP. I didn't listen to Led Zeppelin until about 2 years ago (right around when I made this poll). but songs like "Heartbreaker," "Kashmir," "Immigrant Song," "Dazed & Confused," "No Quarter," "When the Levee Breaks," "All My Love," "Whole Lotta Love," "Black Dog"... they're inescapable. And I love all their records. But the combination of Presence being completely fresh to me, along with its very straightforward no-frills meat&potatoes rock sound, appeal to me much more than all of their other records, which have much more dramatic narrative and sonic arcs. The epics, the acoustic songs, the drum solos, the riff-dozers. Presence is also one of the greatest examples of a band that's just really fucking tight and together with each other and well oiled and powerful, the kind of power and chemistry that can only come from years of playing & touring, and obviously the talent of the individuals.
― flappy bird, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:41 (six years ago) link
thank you Greta Van Fleet for bringing me back to this record
― flappy bird, Saturday, 27 October 2018 04:45 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/jaVmPCm.jpg
― calstars, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link