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oh of course. hence the trolling with the same approach with some clearly homo-erotised scenes.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 7 September 2015 11:14 (eight years ago) link

i don't think i'd say there was more leering at male characters but it is there for sure. however, there's not an entire team of traumatised men whose bodies are lingered over by the camera like the beauty and the beast squad in mgs iv, for example, and the sexualisation of men isn't compounded by the rest of the videogames industry's ongoing history of treating women like objects, so it's not exactly striking for a blow for equal opportunities to be focring gamers to look at raiden's butt every now and again or whatever.

i think what annoyed me most about the introduction of quiet was that, although i knew she was going to show up and it was going to suck, was that the mgsv is much less cutscene- and exposition-heavy so, fifteen hours into the game, i'd kinda managed to forget about the chest of the nurse from the prologue and enjoy tooling around the countryside with d-dog improvising my way through missions. quiet showing up and the game immediately going into TIIIIIIIITS mode was a real disappointment.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 September 2015 11:17 (eight years ago) link

http://steamcommunity.com/app/287700/discussions/0/527273789700149875/

am0n, Monday, 7 September 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link

kojima obviously pervo nerd who loves boobs

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 7 September 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link

the figurine has squeezable breasts

hot doug stamper (||||||||), Monday, 7 September 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link

if ever there was a visionary video game creator who was likely to own a realdoll

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link

yeah I suppose he might have real dolls of each of his heroines...

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link

Solid Snake: Other people just complicate my life. I don't like to get involved.
Meryl Silverburgh: ...You're a sad, lonely man.

Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

;_;

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

tbf he reproduces via cloning

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

Snake, that is. Kojima.... maybe someday

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link

related to the prior conversation:
http://boingboing.net/2015/09/07/the-queer-masculinity-of-steal.html

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

also that gif has made me add the game to my wishlist

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

ahah. great gif. so MGS...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:49 (eight years ago) link

it makes me think that in some of the sexy moments in the games there's also that off the wall and absurd approach.
like there's the obvious objectivization of the women's (and sometimes, men's) bodies but with a twist.
doesn't make it less creepy and problematic but... different from other misogynist games.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:57 (eight years ago) link

i want to agree with you but the games do nothing to question or subvert the general staring-at-tits proposition

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 11:43 (eight years ago) link

yeah, as much as i might want to give kojima the benefit of the doubt after enjoying his games for two decades, there's really no qualitative difference between staring at tits for its own sake and staring at tits as part of some type of absurdist metagame whose rules and underpinning motivations are unclear and which might not actually exist at all.

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:05 (eight years ago) link

I don't think it questions the "staring at tits", it simply plays with the idea and does it in a different way, maybe.
I don't know, these sequences seemed sillier than sexy in my memory but I don't really remember the other games and haven't played this one (yet !).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 13:20 (eight years ago) link

yessssssss

http://giant.gfycat.com/ApprehensiveGiantAllosaurus.gif

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

nice

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link

i still have my plain old fulton

this is going to be like a 100+ hour game isn't it

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link

i'm only on mission 12 or something and i'm already like 24 hours in so yeah that seems entirely possible

(admittedly some of that runtime is leaving the console on while i'm waiting for a mother base expansion to be completed)

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link

surely the phantom cigar would do the same thing?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link

nah, unfortunately you have to wait out the development in real time - the phantom cigar doesn't work to speed that stuff up, presumably so you don't end up building everything within the first couple of hours

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

in the MGS series as a whole i'd say there's as much, possibly more, explicitly sexualized male leering? which is quite unusual for a video game

Not unusual in videogames at all really. Maybe more pronounced but I think that may have to do with cultural differences between Japan and the US. You won't play Call of Duty and run into a 10 minute cutscene about the horrors of nuclear proliferation or philosophical debates on the nature of war because of this cultural difference either.

As for the series as a whole, go back and play MGS and it is filled with James Bond-style flirting and fawning and objectifying. It's part of the style. It's also designed to be played primarily by teenagers sitting in their room with all the free time in the world rather than a mature married couple staying in for the evening.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

I mean the first MGS has a character named after Otaku, who are an entire class of shut-ins that favor that kind of stuff. Giant robots and giant tits. It's part of his audience.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

I'd say it's much more mature aside from the costume. The writing is way less pandering to a male only view immo (in my male opinion). In the first game Snake is hitting on women as soon as they meet and they are in turn incessantly receptive to his advances. In TPP Big Boss meets Quiet as a buddy by first having to best her in combat. You can't kill her in this combat. Actually I think the very first time you meet her she is wearing full clothes also but not sure that may be a storyline thing.

I want to say more but don't want to spoil anything. Suffice to say she is integral to the story and gameplay in far more than a sex object way.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link

She's also apparently integral to wiping your save file based on what my friend said & what the daily updates said, y'all make sure you don't bring her as a buddy to either 'Mission 29' or 'Mission 42'.

ilg lookin out for ilg

Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link

I'm taking my sweet time just spent half an hour walking around the zoo watching animals grace amongst flowers.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link

If you were gonna choose between this or The Witcher III?

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link

This by miles. Witcher III seems cool but I don't really care for the story and the open world thing is much more locked in, this game really lets you goof off and go nuts. I remember the start of W3 was a pixel hunt in a room to advance some cutscene hence it really didn't start off on the right foot for me.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link

i should prob play ground zero first tho' yes? excellent indicator of how this plays?

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link

did you miss it when it was on ps plus?

yeah tho ground zeroes is a LITTLE different but it's mostly representative + the space is actually a little cooler (albeit way smaller) than what i've seen so far in TPP. highly recommend GZ.

Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 23:38 (eight years ago) link

no, it's on my hard drive. if it's basically the same it should tell me whether to buy this or not... so thanks!

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 September 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link

GZ is amazing. Still the best level ever though I really hope there is some cool stuff awaiting in TPP.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 September 2015 04:03 (eight years ago) link

FoxR 36 minutes ago
Islamistic bs
Why the hell you are fighting for mujahids in this game?
And why the ♥♥♥♥ everyone thinks its OK and never mention in reviews?
Last edited by FoxR; 36 minutes ago

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 September 2015 04:03 (eight years ago) link

He should watch Rambo III.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 September 2015 04:04 (eight years ago) link

everyone should watch rambo iii

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 10 September 2015 08:30 (eight years ago) link

http://w.webms.org/m/QyBnMWyH.webm

hot doug stamper (||||||||), Friday, 11 September 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link

um

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 September 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link

nightmare-fuel

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 11 September 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

This...

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 September 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

Now I'll show you why they call me "Revolver."

Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Friday, 11 September 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcyygfXIfzE

am0n, Friday, 11 September 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link

i've had that happen to me!

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 11 September 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link

woah I didn't realise the game reacts to your play style and adapts its difficulty accordingly

hot doug stamper (||||||||), Saturday, 12 September 2015 09:55 (eight years ago) link

so for example if it notices you're doing lots of headshots, guards will start being sent out with helmets. you can counteract this by sending out your own combat deployments to fuck up the CPU's supply of helmets which will reduce the number of helmeted guards during the next three or so missions

hot doug stamper (||||||||), Saturday, 12 September 2015 09:57 (eight years ago) link

maybe i'm not at that stage of the game yet, but i haven't come across how to send my dudes out on deployments

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 12 September 2015 10:00 (eight years ago) link


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