https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgz4ESqjj98
― cock chirea, Saturday, 5 September 2015 04:37 (eight years ago) link
Awesome – thanks, cock. Phil, if you can hear me, I'd love to get my hands on those files if possible.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 7 September 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
The band was McLaughlin, Santana, Larry Young on organ, Doug Rauch on bass, Billy Cobham on drums and Armando Peraza on percussion.The same band as on "Love Devotion Surrender" of course.
― Noel Emits, Monday, 7 September 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
I'm sure it's easily locatable online. The CD-R version I have was given the title With Loving Devotion to John Coltrane by the assembler.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 7 September 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
I will hunt this down!
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link
Getting into The Lost Trident sessions this morning, which is one I have not heard much. "Sister Andrea" is a really, really good track. The section on that tune when they break it down low you really hear McLaughlin channeling his inner-Miles Davis ala Sketches of Spain. It certainly sounded like a nod to me.
― earlnash, Sunday, 4 February 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
Billy Cobham's drumming is really the glue that holds these records together imo. I find a lot of McLaughlin's post-Mahavishnu output to be sort of, idk, watery?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:30 (six years ago) link
Seeing McLaughlin play Mahavishnu tunes live last year was incredible. Agree about Cobham; he's amazing.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
Who was in his band when you saw him?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
I really like McLaughlin's first two acoustic jazz records with My Goals Beyond and the first Shakti album. That Shakti album is really intense. Eventually i would like to run into a LP of the San Francisco acoustic trio records. I had that one on tape as a kid and haven't heard it in years.
Apocalypse is pretty good for a Mahavishnu record after the original band. The 80s band sounds pretty 80s, although the stuff with Jonas Hellborg on Adventures in Radioland is pretty groovy.
― earlnash, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
Yeah Shakti is pretty good, but I never liked the Friday Night in San Francisco or his other acoustic stuff.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
I don't remember all their names, but I wrote about the show for Stereogum in November.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
I like the last track on inner worlds a lot
― sleepingbag, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
Cobham is insane. I read a story once that when Cobham was a kid, he and his friends would have competitions to see who could keep a quarter pressed against the wall the longest with a roll.
Agree that he holds that group together, but Narada Michael Walden was a solid replacement. So crazy that he became this slick hitmaker. I saw Aretha Franklin this summer, and Walden was playing drums with her, and I kept thinking, huh, the same dude who did "Freeway of Love" and Whitney's "How Will I Know" was in Mahavishnu Orchestra. Anyway, he was a joy to watch, having so much fun. Here's a bit of him backing her at the show I saw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzPHaRowxu0
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
So cool to find this, this is a set I saw McLaughlin do in Spain in 1993, with Dennis Chambers and Joey DeFrancesco!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po_toT6n9aE
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
4th dimension: ranjit barot, gary husband, etienne mbappé
mbappé was so sick. not only was he an insane bass player but he wore god damned gloves
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Sunday, 4 February 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
JUst checking out Where fortune Smiles which is McLaughlin either just before he started mahavishnu or a little after. Alongside John Surman, Dave Holland, Karl Berger nad Stu martin.JUst seen that Esoteric reissued it recently. Sounds interesting so far.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 4 February 2018 23:22 (six years ago) link
This is p much the sickest thing ever imo:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10a45mgMGcY
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 5 February 2018 05:32 (six years ago) link
What can you say? Wow! I wish more 1970's drummers kept their solos that short n sweet. And of course his technique is absolutely phenomenal. Nice clip.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Monday, 5 February 2018 06:55 (six years ago) link
"Sunflower" by Milt Jackson, w/Ron Carter, Herbie Hancock, Freddie Hubbard, Jay Berliner and Billy Cobham: a fantastic record.
― mahb, Monday, 5 February 2018 10:10 (six years ago) link
He's pretty good in the core unit band on the CTI Allstars first live lp. Tracks like Red Clay on that are really great.
― Stevolende, Monday, 5 February 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
Agree that he holds that group together, but Narada Michael Walden was a solid replacement. So crazy that he became this slick hitmaker. I saw Aretha Franklin this summer, and Walden was playing drums with her, and I kept thinking, huh, the same dude who did "Freeway of Love" and Whitney's "How Will I Know" was in Mahavishnu Orchestra.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 8 February 2018 05:33 (six years ago) link
"Agree that he holds that group together, but Narada Michael Walden was a solid replacement. So crazy that he became this slick hitmaker."
i'm still a little flabbergasted whenever i realize that michael tilson thomas was the guy who did the orchestral stuff on "apocalypse" (and it wasn't very good...)
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link
Didn't expect to get into Between Nothingness & Eternity at all but I enjoyed more of it than I thought I would. Cant be bothered with getting into the rest of it right now, so I'm shelving it for now. Didn't think this was so highly thought of.
I thought one of the riffs sounded a hell of a lot like Deep Purple's "Smoke On The Water" but I guess people who know better would have made a deal of that if it really did have much resemblance.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 May 2018 12:33 (five years ago) link
I liked Apocalypse. Not the whole way through but the highlights are great. Last track has a kind of "You And I" feeling and the soloing at the big climax is fantastic.
But "Smile Of The Beyond" is just gorgeous. Check out this live version with a far more energetic middle portion and added drum solo with good drumming faces.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjM-UQ0zVUU
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 September 2018 11:41 (five years ago) link
That was worth waking up to.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 15 September 2018 13:13 (five years ago) link
dude can shred
hats for sporting the spiritual SG double neck look
― niels, Monday, 17 September 2018 08:49 (five years ago) link
That right there is a spiritual custom Ibanez.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 17 September 2018 09:23 (five years ago) link
aah, I see!
― niels, Monday, 17 September 2018 09:27 (five years ago) link
Visions of the Emerald Beyond is really nice
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 December 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
Narada Michael Walden has had a pretty interesting career starting with Mahavishnu with Aretha (Who's Zoomin Who) and Whitney Houston and many others. From the Ashram to Malibu I would suppose.
― earlnash, Friday, 14 December 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
his drumming on a few songs on Fripp's "Exposure" is ferocious. NYC and Breathless are the two best songs on the album
― akm, Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
You follow Billy Cobham, you better be able to deliver it. Those guys are/were so good, they are like superheroes.
― earlnash, Saturday, 15 December 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link
Birds of Fire- I think it's their best, Jan Hammer expands with Moog (okay, maybe a tad cheesy, but I love it anyway)...Generally better music, IMO.
Need to poll Birds against all the other titular objects Of Fire at some point (Chariots of Fire, Wheels of Fire etc) to determine which one is the most awesome.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link
It could be called 'POLL of Fire'
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
Rhapsody of FireIn the Line of Fire
― john landis as man being smashed into window (uncredited) (Matt #2), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
Yeah, there's lots. I just worry that some ppl will miss the point and vote for the music they prefer.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
Was McLaughlin the first real shredder?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 September 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link
He was probably the most technically accomplished and polished player in rock up to that time.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 3 September 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link
GW In your opinion, who was the first shredder?SATRIANI That’s a good one. When you say “shredder,” I would say it’s probably a guy who’s not a great writer but yet can play really well. So that first wave of rock guitarists—people like Hendrix and Page and Beck and Clapton—they weren’t shredders. The fusion guys—Al Di Meola and John McLaughlin and Allan Holdsworth—were doing their own trip; they were fusion guys. So you can put them in another bag. I see shred as a metal thing—someone who listens to Di Meola, who loves the freak-out of Hendrix and the I’ll-do-whatever-I-want nature of Page, and who innocently brought it into a new era. I’m hard pressed to name that person who just played something so simple but really overdid it. [pauses] It might be Alvin Lee from Ten Years After.
SATRIANI That’s a good one. When you say “shredder,” I would say it’s probably a guy who’s not a great writer but yet can play really well. So that first wave of rock guitarists—people like Hendrix and Page and Beck and Clapton—they weren’t shredders. The fusion guys—Al Di Meola and John McLaughlin and Allan Holdsworth—were doing their own trip; they were fusion guys. So you can put them in another bag. I see shred as a metal thing—someone who listens to Di Meola, who loves the freak-out of Hendrix and the I’ll-do-whatever-I-want nature of Page, and who innocently brought it into a new era. I’m hard pressed to name that person who just played something so simple but really overdid it. [pauses] It might be Alvin Lee from Ten Years After.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 3 September 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link
( https://www.guitarworld.com/features/joe-satriani-shred-ache )
That super trill that McLaughlin plays going into some of those speedy runs sends signals up my spine. It's got an effect like sometimes when they play a filtertwist on a really distorted TB-303 in acid music.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Monday, 20 June 2022 01:50 (one year ago) link
What's an example you have in mind?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 16:59 (one year ago) link
Oh the big one that has always raised neck hairs was that first run after the riff on "Meeting of the Spirits". His picking is just so super speedy and clean. It's like Dick Dale on steroids. There are plenty of that double picking on the live record, especially on "Dreams". JM does some crazy picking matching the high speed tabla runs on acoustic with Shakti.
As my garage band mind understands, some of this is McLaughlin doing his take on 'sheets of sound' by Coltrane using altered pentatonics. The one I came across was using the minor pentatonic raising the 5th up to the 6th
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 21:50 (one year ago) link
Ah yeah, those are magnificent.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 02:35 (one year ago) link
Sounds like that’s a mode of mixolydian pentatonic, If you start from the 4th. Like the unison lines on Eternity’s Breath.
― 29 facepalms, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:49 (one year ago) link
Did McLaughlin invent shredding?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
The one I came across was using the minor pentatonic raising the 5th up to the 6th
I'm trying to parse this: so a minor pentatonic would be A - C - D - E - G, raising the 5th would make the E an F, so you'd just be using a different pentatonic scale (F - G - A - C - D, but favouring the A as a tonic)?
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link
I think it was proven on another thread that Alvin Lee invented shredding, but McLaughlin sure did it faster and more accurately.
― roadie wanders onstage, roadie wanders offstage (Matt #2), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link
I always get Alvin Lee, Albert Lee, Albert King, and Albert Collins confused.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:26 (one year ago) link
Adventures in Radioland is like ECM not on ECM…it’s kinda got that vibe.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Sunday, 26 February 2023 05:22 (one year ago) link
The Inner Mounting Flame is str8 fire
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 26 February 2023 06:56 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5LmOzgwW6MThe hornless lineup from the expanded CTI All-Stars California Concert with Billy Cobham on drums, George Benson on guitar which was the instrument that brought him to fame as a Wes Montgomery influenced player, Johnny Hammond on Keyboards, Airto on percussion and Ron Carter as bandleader on bass. So this is what Cobham was doing at the stat of Mahavishnu getting material out. Do wish there was more of this, there are a couple more tracks without horns on here and the band here is the backing band elsewhere too. I think the band is a bit moe alive and definitely less string drenched than the studio recordings from the label. Picked this up on cd a decade or so ago thinking i recognised the title and quite enjoyed it when I got it home. Several longer tracks across the 2cds, 1st of which is pretty much teh lp as released in the 70s plus I think a couple of edited tracks restored to full length.
― Stevo, Sunday, 26 February 2023 09:56 (one year ago) link
I read recently that in the '60s, Jimmy Page took a number of guitar lessons with John McLaughlin. It makes sense, McLaughlin was the only one of his peers from whom Page could have had anything to learn.
― Vast Halo, Sunday, 26 February 2023 22:14 (one year ago) link
Bathed In Lightning the Colin Harper biography seemed to be pretty good
― Stevo, Sunday, 26 February 2023 23:56 (one year ago) link
Devotion the 1970 studio lp is pretty good too.
I got around to this one this evening and I think I put it third behind Extrapolation and My Goal's Beyond. Still good.
― and my soul would smack me if I didn’t listen (PBKR), Monday, 27 February 2023 01:19 (one year ago) link