Led Zeppelin - Presence

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is boring

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:18 (four years ago) link

My combination of Presence/ITTOD as one LP:

A1 Achilles Last Stand
A2 For Your Life
A3 Royal Orleans

B1 Nobody's Fault But Mine
B2 Candy Store Rock
B3 Hots On For Nowhere
B4 Tea For One

rushomancy, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:23 (four years ago) link

lol

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:35 (four years ago) link

otm

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:35 (four years ago) link

I would at least throw 'South Bound Suarez' a bone.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:37 (four years ago) link

Holy shit, I just noticed for the first time ever that it's 'Saurez', not 'Suarez'. As in 'dino-saurez'?

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:39 (four years ago) link

My combination of Presence/In Through The Out Door as one LP:

A1 Achilles Last Stand

Followed by turning it off and putting Physical Graffiti on.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:43 (four years ago) link

aw

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:48 (four years ago) link

I like the way you think, Turrican.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:51 (four years ago) link

stop with the paring down. theyre both great all the way through

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 19:03 (four years ago) link

Page on "For Your Life" is a nice mix of precision and absent-minded whammy bar-testing.

bentelec, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 19:04 (four years ago) link

I always found the cover art on this one to be out of character -- it looks like a post punk record.

man I was nine years old on the floor of my babysitter's teenage son's bedroom going through his LPs to try and understand the music these grown-up boys listened to and just TRIPPING on the Presence sleeve. It would have been new or nearly brand new and it felt like it was something so weird and deep and impenetrable, I would look and look and look. At that one, and at Wish You Were Here. It is a weird fit for the sounds, but since IV they'd been going for a pretty mysterious vibe with Hipgnosis.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 21:12 (four years ago) link

I like WmC's reduction, makes for a muscular listen, especially with Wearing and Tearing. Seems like mixing the best of Presence (achilles) with ITTOD (carouselambra) yields... Trans Am.

For all the chops and power of Achilles tho I'm going with Tea For One, cos of the aura.

Portugal minus Pedro Foster Cage (Spectrist), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 23:37 (four years ago) link

For Your Life needs to be half as long and twice as fast.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 00:47 (four years ago) link

^ i did this in audacity last night and it was fucking awesome

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:52 (four years ago) link

Haha, me too.

pplains, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:57 (four years ago) link

Canyuknowwhoaowitrollsanyureallyfeeelit? UH - OH OHH.....

pplains, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:58 (four years ago) link

You'll all be slowing down Achilles to half-speed to make it last the length of a 20 minute side next!

Turrican, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:59 (four years ago) link

I think part of what makes Achilles so masterful is that it'd just be a boring, gradually deflating jam in the hands of almost any other band, but they're able to both sustain and control such a high level of intensity throughout the track, kicking it up just a little bit more and then bringing it back down when needed.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:07 (four years ago) link

never feels like ten minutes either, more like five

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:11 (four years ago) link

'Achilles' is already a masterpiece, but imagine what it would have been if Plant had been at full fitness in the studio... fuck!

Turrican, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:24 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scz-omSoQb0

rushomancy, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:29 (four years ago) link

lol sounds like a shreds video

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:33 (four years ago) link

Nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh

Brad C., Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:34 (four years ago) link

'Achilles' is already a masterpiece, but imagine what it would have been if Plant had been at full fitness in the studio... fuck!

― Turrican, Wednesday, September 2, 2015 2:24 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I dunno, his performances on Presence are easily my favorite in their oeuvre. The wandering whining and aimless pseudo-scatting are largely dispensed with, and his voice has a breadth in the upper register it didn't really have before.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:40 (four years ago) link

Couldn't make it through that Tempe performance. Do they ever agree on where they are in the song? They should've stopped to ask directions.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:41 (four years ago) link

yeah does plant have to stand up to sing well

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:48 (four years ago) link

Page on "For Your Life" is a nice mix of precision and absent-minded whammy bar-testing.

ITTOD and things like Knebworth give a glimpse of LZ had the band lasted longer and Page gone full '80s Strat.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 19:45 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i actually just bought a powered subwoofer for my stereo system recently, last night picked up the new Presence vinyl

man....today before work i just kept cranking the volume higher and higher on Achilles, just in awe of its power

page really knocked these remasters out of the park, just excellent

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:05 (four years ago) link

also just listened to 10 Ribs/Carrot Pod Pod, one of the few genuine "rarities" in this whole series but kinda neat I guess, funny for Zeppelin...almost feel like I'm listening to the basic track of a pretty good Wings song

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:07 (four years ago) link

So far very little from the outtakes/rarities on the new remasters has really grabbed me.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:08 (four years ago) link

the one on LZ I that sounded like The Who was kinda good

I don't even know why they bothered really, I guess to make extra dough but I guess everyone who said there was really nothing there to bootleg was right, I mean "Travelling Riverside Blues" off the old box set is the only thing that felt like a proper new Zep song.

but as far as the vinyl quality and remaster etc, these are great

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:18 (four years ago) link

the one on LZ I that sounded like The Who was kinda good

Yeah, "La La" is probably my favorite of all the outtakes, but it's seriously slim pickings. Most of the rough mixes are barely discernible from the masters, and on ITTOD, the "alternate mixes" just sound like a 3rd-generation cassette dub of the LP.

Everything on the Coda set could've easily fit on two discs; nice of them to pointlessly spread it out to 3, and price it accordingly.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:23 (four years ago) link

In a weird way I wasn't that upset about it because it made it easy to not even consider the deluxe editions and just get the regular reissues

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:31 (four years ago) link

You'll love the next wave of reissues, when they tag that Puff Daddy song at the end of Physical Graffiti.

pplains, Thursday, 17 September 2015 14:32 (four years ago) link

Crap this is fun, here's my Presence/Out Door/Coda:

Fool In The Rain
Nobody's Fault But Mine
For Your Life
In The Evening
All My Love
South Bound Saurez
Achilles Last Stand
Wearing and Tearing

campreverb, Thursday, 17 September 2015 15:04 (four years ago) link

i couldn't tell any difference between "Two Ones are Won" and "Achilles," what's going on there?

flappy bird, Thursday, 17 September 2015 17:26 (four years ago) link

Voted for Tea for One with Nobody's Fault a close close 2nd.

The vocal performance on Achilles always bothered me. I know Plant was recovering from injury at the time, but it's unfortunate that carried over into his takes.

octobeard, Thursday, 17 September 2015 21:52 (four years ago) link

never notice how crazily loud the bass guitar is mixed on "For Your Life", it's awesome

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 September 2015 13:25 (four years ago) link

wtf is 'Saurez' anyway

calstars, Friday, 18 September 2015 19:07 (four years ago) link

a typo

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 18 September 2015 19:12 (four years ago) link

Why on earth do I keep singing sections of Level 42's "Something About You" over "10 Ribs & All"?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:55 (four years ago) link

...and "Carrot Pod" sounds like the jam of an early 80s SNL credits roll

...which is not to say I don't like this obsurity!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:57 (four years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 27 September 2015 00:01 (four years ago) link

do you do you wannaaaaa

flappy bird, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:20 (four years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 28 September 2015 00:01 (four years ago) link

Yup, could totally predict that top 2.

Turrican, Monday, 28 September 2015 00:51 (four years ago) link

I was going to make a playlist of the winners for each album but it looks like we haven't done polls for I, II and IV. Or I just can't find them.

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Monday, 28 September 2015 01:17 (four years ago) link

(kinda surprised Carouselambra didn't win for ITTOD)

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Monday, 28 September 2015 01:18 (four years ago) link

If I had to pick one besides Achilles though, it'd be For Your Life, I love that groove in the middle ("Do you really really wanna?")

This is where I'm at. That whole breakdown is amazing.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:38 (four years ago) link

The assessment of this album being 'Achilles Last Stand' and 'Nobody's Fault But Mine' plus a lot of sub-par Zeppelin is still OTM.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:19 (two years ago) link

you're so wrong I don't even know where to start

calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 12:18 (two years ago) link

otm

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 November 2017 14:31 (two years ago) link

#hotsonfornowhere

― calstars, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. the rhythm section is so weird on this song. the way the drums switch to doubletime but the rest of the band keeps the same tempo so funky and disorienting

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:37 (two years ago) link

Very difficult song to play drums on, for sure. Even air drumming the fills on the “oh oh” part is hard as fuck

calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 20:26 (two years ago) link

my favorite Zeppelin album

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:28 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I'll never understand that - not when this band released six stone cold classics in a row prior to this, which was their weakest record up to that point until they followed it up with one worse.

It's another one of those records that suffers from "Gaucho syndrome" - where people actually got it right first time around.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:55 (two years ago) link

It's easy to understand if you consider every Zep LP (exceot ITTOD) the best one.

And yeah, HOFN is a jam

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:47 (two years ago) link

Presence isn't as good as most of the other Zeppelin albums, no. It's more fragmented. It suffers by comparison. It's still considerably better than "two good songs and nothing" -- that's, like, weirdly "is it a banger or not???" thinking. Zep are considerably more interesting than that imo

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:51 (two years ago) link

my favorite Zeppelin album

― flappy bird, Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:28 PM (two hours ago)

same, by a mile

WilliamC, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:18 (two years ago) link

and this isn't the fault of any of the records, but Presence is also the least culturally saturated Zep LP. I didn't listen to Led Zeppelin until about 2 years ago (right around when I made this poll). but songs like "Heartbreaker," "Kashmir," "Immigrant Song," "Dazed & Confused," "No Quarter," "When the Levee Breaks," "All My Love," "Whole Lotta Love," "Black Dog"... they're inescapable. And I love all their records. But the combination of Presence being completely fresh to me, along with its very straightforward no-frills meat&potatoes rock sound, appeal to me much more than all of their other records, which have much more dramatic narrative and sonic arcs. The epics, the acoustic songs, the drum solos, the riff-dozers. Presence is also one of the greatest examples of a band that's just really fucking tight and together with each other and well oiled and powerful, the kind of power and chemistry that can only come from years of playing & touring, and obviously the talent of the individuals.

flappy bird, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:41 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

thank you Greta Van Fleet for bringing me back to this record

flappy bird, Saturday, 27 October 2018 04:45 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

https://i.imgur.com/jaVmPCm.jpg

calstars, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:48 (one month ago) link

precience

budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:50 (one month ago) link

oh hell yeah

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 00:50 (one month ago) link

"alexa, what is the strange plastic alien object in the center of the room that this entire family seems creepily infatuated with ?"

budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:59 (one month ago) link

yikes i made a typo i meant prescience **

budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 01:16 (one month ago) link

if you're not taking advantage of quarantine to carve/whittle your own Object it's probably never going to happen

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:20 (one month ago) link

fortunately i have insurance that will cover that and don't need to DIY

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 22 May 2020 02:32 (one month ago) link


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