HANNIBAL on NBC seems amazing and therefore deserves it's own thread!

moving the Murder Husbands stuff from subtext to text cost the show a lot (for me anyway)

I believe they call it... a mic drop.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/hannibal-redefined-how-we-tell-stories-on-tv.html

that is a tremendous seitz piece

finally watched the finale. as an end to everything - which we can only assume it is at this point - it was maybe a little less than i'd hoped for but as close to a final chapter as was possible.

*to a proper final chapter

if it has to end, I'd rather it do so with Hannibal being out in the world being possible

yeah agreed

are we to assume, btw, at the very end that bedelia cut off her own leg to attract hannibal, or that this is way later, and he got out and did it and is about to dine on that shit? guessing the former, and honestly that's the considerably more fucked up possibility so i dig it

whaaat

no, obviously it's meant to be later and he's tracked her down and prepared her leg for dinner

aw man

i mean, yeah, hannibal doing it is the most logical conclusion, given what happens to gideon in the first episode of s3, i just figured my alternate was possible given how bazonkers the show is, and given that will has attempted to lure hannibal to him in various ways i figured that could be a super grand guignol version of that? idk

I don't think she really wanted to lure Hannibal in? She did disapprove of Will's plan in that she suspected Hannibal would somehow escape and make it out in the world, which meant he'd come for her eventually. She doesn't actually want to die.

yeah, i had a very different take on that
that she had internalized hannibal as old testament divine retribution for her own evil and had prepared her own leg as a peace offering and a show of like minded faith in exchange for her life but he's gone and she doesn't know it
so she's waiting forever at the table, driven mad out of fear and guilt and hannibal's reach extends beyond his (presumed) death
a "no happy endings" balance for offing hannibal and will after the menage a trois

good take

really, it's more existential if the show never returns, if it does, it's literal and a sign of life after the cliff tumble

so she's waiting forever at the table, driven mad out of fear and guilt and hannibal's reach extends beyond his (presumed) death

this is a fascinating thought! much more considered than my take

xp well the slow pan over the cliff to reveal... nothing... gives them a safe out if they ever find someone willing to give the cast/creatives the money to pick back up the pieces and reset

if they DID continue, i could see bedelia having copped to being lecter's accomplice and living a one legged life in the same asylum for the criminally insane as hannibal and maybe channeling his ghost?

there was noise that the next step for a future season was to remake silence of the lambsbut that NBC didn't want to foot the bill for rights for Starling? given that the second half of S3 was a reshoot (in some cases verbatim!) of red dragon that imo greatly improved it, i wouldn't mind if they ultimately landed there on Starz or Vimeo in three years. basically all would be forgiven no matter how they reboot if I get more of this level of auteuristic, campy, genius/batshittery.

quick look around online suggests that my read is not supported by Fuller though:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/hannibal-finale-season-4-movie-revival-ending-spoilers-1201581424/

And yet it still feels like a little bit of a surprise at the end. [The post-credits scene with Bedelia] was very intentionally setting up another season of the story … essentially saying that Hannibal could’ve survived.

that the show was surreal and meaty enough to reasonably support such drastically different takes is part of what made it special

That finale really underlined for me that 3A was sort of an insane masterpiece and 3B was an excessively fan-service-y OK thing.

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:46 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean...it was closer to a straight adaptation of the original source material than the rest of the series but i don't recall any wish fulfillment twists or meta winks to the camera that would qualify it as 'fan service.'

the show played with the viewer's head about whether someone was dead or alive with, what, 3 or 4 major characters? the ambiguity of the ending is totally part of the show's M.O.

i forget exactly why they couldnt do clarice starling and basically subbed in miriam lass for her as a tangential character. i think it has something to do w/ the studio behind SOTL (orion) having folded and been absorbed by MGM, which is not exactly known as generous with its intellectual property, and it has the rights to the character in a way that harris, as the author, apparently does not.

(xps forks)

Fuller said pretty recently that if they did later seasons without getting rights to the Silence story, they'd find some way to get around it with a 'Shmarice Shmarling' stand-in character...i never got the sense that it would be Miriam, although i guess there are enough things shared by those characters that it could work.

well here's Fuller again from that (very very recent) Variety piece about one of the directions he wanted to go

Hannibal also made Alana (Caroline Dhavernas) a fairly ominous promise about her future, leading her to take Margot (Katharine Isabelle) and their son and get the hell out of dodge, proving she’s pretty much the only sensible person on the show. Did you foresee Hannibal keeping that promise in season four, or for Alana and Margot to live happily ever after?

It certainly was going to be a part of season four, and I actually was really excited about exploring the Margot/Alana relationship and how they were going to dismantle all of the Verger slaughterhouses and turn them humane. She was going to completely undo the evils of her family with Alana, like a Joan Crawford sitting at PepsiCo’s table saying “don’t f–k with me, fellas.” I was really excited about that story for Alana and Margot and seeing more of them, and also seeing what it would be like for them to realize that Hannibal might be coming back into their orbit.

xp oh, i dont think it'd be her, i figure she's locked up for trying to blow dr. chilton's brains out in s2

Poor Chilton.

http://not-my-supervisor.tumblr.com/

Hannibal + Archer

don't recall any wish fulfillment twists or meta winks to the camera that would qualify it as 'fan service.'

I'm specifically referring to the way the show might as well have literally been called Murder Husbands by the last few eps

Pretty impressive Wendigo cosplay from Dragon Con - http://rokkitgirl.tumblr.com/post/128674645730/for-anyone-interested-in-how-this-monster-goes-on

wow
http://40.media.tumblr.com/cca6cd4a19d0f043537d0ef6421ae52e/tumblr_nuc3m6urDu1r5knx1o1_500.png

So I'm just catching up on season 2 now that it's on Amazon Instant and I have the time and inclination to sit down and do it, and I can't stop thinking about what the writers have done in S2E9 ("Shiizakana"). Of course the show is constantly referencing and cutting and pasting and remixing bits of the Harris books, in ways that often play on audiences' knowledge of them, but this one felt really referential in a different way to previous episodes. Is it just me, or did this one (with the bearsuit guy) seem like a really strange, possibly poorly judged response to the side-eye Silence of the Lambs gets for its treatment of trans issues? The killer is described as suffering from a "bodily dysphoria," and- what seemed like a big tell for me, anyway- see the repeated use of the word "savage" or "savagery" (cf that cringeworthy moment in Silence where Lecter says Buffalo Bill's "pathology is a thousand times more savage and terrifying" than that of a trans woman). But also there's this correspondence with the main arc of Red Dragon, where Lecter sics a killer who uses a set of teeth to mutilate his victims on Will Graham and his family (the part of "family" being played this evening by ADORABLE PUPPIES)?

I'm too tired to make much more of this right now, but god damn, man, this show. THIS SHOW.

hugh dancy interview supporting the path:

I could not get off the phone with you without asking if there is any hope for some sort of Hannibal revival — a movie, a short series, anything?

I saw Bryan Fuller just the other day, and I think he has a very specific idea. And he’s obviously a very busy man, but I think he has a very specific idea of how he’d like to go about doing it. I think definitely the hope is alive.

A lot of people are asking you about Hannibal coming back. Do you even want to get back to that character, or do you feel like you’ve already said your goodbyes?

No, no, no, I wouldn’t say the thing about hope sarcastically… And I think, if anything, maybe everyone would benefit from a few years away. In terms of the storyline, from what Bryan has shared with me about what he might have done in a fourth season — he might even do a fourth season, actually — the idea of dropping out for a few years wouldn’t be a bad thing. I mean, who knows? But it would be nice.

somehow was not aware that fuller is doing the star trek tv reboot

just finished s 3. wild ride. i was really into the surrealism of the first half and thought the ending was p perfect. verger almost ruined it for me tho

i just started watching this and i'm already in the middle of season two. i couldn't tell if i liked it at first, and the csi: serial killers aspects of the production grated, but the middle of season two is masterfully created and sustained tension. this is definitely one of my favorite shows ever

last few eps of s2->first half of s3 is an amazing run imo

yeah if this is already one of ur fave shows ever mid-s2 then bruhh ur in for some stuff

:D

imo, on rewatching, S1 is a lot more even than it may initially seem, it's just that you're into the style by the time S2 rolls around

the S2 finale is, even after having seen it before, insane. so much so that parts of the beginning of S3 are devoted to unraveling everything that happened offscreen because it's worth further examination

ok yeah the season two finale

woof

emotionally traumatizing

yeah last half of season two/first half of season three lived up to what y'all said, they really sustained that feeling of unreality. excited to get into the red dragon stuff if a little sad that it's obv going to snap back into more terrestrial rhythms

it doesn't trust me

oh thank god

there are a few moments where you think life might return for what passes as normal

they're fleeting

btw now that i have the full context for my friend's puppet-oriented hannibal recaps they are even more delightful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Z8SdC4AnI

imo instead of joe anderson they should've replaced michael pitt verger with that puppet

appreciating these silly recaps

I'd also recommend the gag reels/outtakes from the different Hannibal seasons if you need some levity or just want to see the actors goofing on set. There's something about seeing Mikkelsen in character as an incredibly meticulous Hannibal juxtaposed with a shot of him completely forgetting how to tie a tie that's hilarious

imo this was a great show about the power of friendship

I love the puppet hannibal recaps and I would like to pay the man to do all my favorite shows please.

friendship, romance, murder, the blurring boundaries therein

I recently again saw Bryan Fuller's gleeful tweet about how they got "button stitching" past the censors. Classic censor-dodging.

I loved those puppet recaps!!

Just watched all of this in about three days