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I've spent so much time going back and forth with people in the comments at Slicing Up Eyeballs all day I forgot to see what people on Pitchfork's own fb page had to say. hoo boy

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link

would add:
debarge: i like it
rene and angela: i'll be good
the blue nile: the downtown lights
chaka khan: clouds
scritti politti: perfect way
teena marie: square biz
donald fagen: igy
imagination: music and lights
the jets: crush on you
anita baker: sweet love

this was off the top of my head so it's probably missing amazingly crucial stuff

idk i'd probably remove all the sonic youth, pixies, joy division, and cure songs, and at least one new order single

I try to avoid the comments there, it's a cluster.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:15 (eight years ago) link

I nominated "Pick Me Up Before You Go Go," but I realize that's not a consensus pick.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:16 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah see i now want to replace something on my list with "you dropped a bomb on me"

anyway of all those "square biz" would've looked great on the pfork list imo

Would add:

Swing Out Sister - Breakout
Rene & Angela - I'll Be Good
Rick James - Coldblooded
Dazz Band - Let It Whip
Frank Beverley & Maze - Too Many Games
Stevie Nicks - Stand Back
Level 42 - Something About You
English Beat - Save It For Later
Peter Gabriel - Games Without Frontiers
Steve Arrington - Dancin' in the Key of Life

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:19 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah fuckin let it whip

English Beat - Save It For Later

Next to Relax, this was the single most glaring omission imo. Lots of songs in the list are interchangeable with others, but that's one that needed to be there.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:21 (eight years ago) link

i have no idea what is on or not on the list, but would add "since yesterday" by strawberry switchblade and remove, ummmm.... motorhead?

dyl, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:23 (eight years ago) link

if it is already on the list, add it anyway so it is listed twice

dyl, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:24 (eight years ago) link

japan "ghosts" also

dyl, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link

killer adds Brad, esp. Anita Baker - her first two albums played a big part in my life in the mid-80s

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link

a sentimental favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttR9Hek6MyA

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link

is "I Feel For You" on the list though? I can really get properly enraged if that's not high on the list

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link

No Devo on this list right?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link

God bless some dork on Reddit who typed out the list so none of us have to:

200) Egyptian Lover - “I Cry (Night After Night)”

199) Tom Zé - “Nave Maria”

198) A Certain Rati - “Shack Up”

197) Donald Byrd / 125th Street, N.Y.C. - “Love Has Come Around”

196) Dinosaur L - “Go Bang! #5 (Francois K Mix)”

195) Jungle Brothers - “Straight Out the Jungle”

194) Too $hort - “Freaky Tales”

193) Kano - “I'm Ready”

192) William Onyeabor - “Good Name”

191) Alice Coltrane - “Jagadishwar”

190) Gregory Isaacs - “Night Nurse”

189) Gregory Isaacs - “Night Nurse”

188) Carly Simon - “Why”

187) Mtume - “Juicy Fruit”

186) The Clash - “Rock the Casbah”

185) Class Action - “Weekend”

184) Wayne Smith - “Under Me Sleng Teng”

183) Loose Joints - “Is It All Over My Face”

182) Strafe - “Set It Off”

181) Womack & Womack - “Teardrops”

180) Patrice Rushen - “Forget Me Nots”

179) The Joubert Singers - “Stand on the Word”

178) Nina Simone - “Fodder in Her Wings

177) The Pretenders - “Brass in Pocket”

176) Schoolly D - “P.S.K. What Does It Mean?"

175) K-Rob / Rammellzee - “Beat Bop”

174) Suicidal Tendencies - “Institutionalized”

173) Wipers - “Youth of America”

172) The Sugarcubes - “Birthday”

171) King Sunny Ade and His African Beats - “Ja Funmi”

170) Cybotron - “Clear”

169) The Chills - “Pink Frost”

168) LL Cool J - “I Can't Live Without My Radio”

167) Yoko Ono - “Walking on Thin Ice”

166) George Benson - “Give Me the Night”

165) Inner City - “Good Life”

164) Hüsker Dü - “Pink Turns to Blue”

163) Peter Gabriel - “In Your Eyes”

162) Orchestra Baobab - “Mouhamadou Bamba”

161) U2 - “Sunday Bloody Sunday”

160) Sheila E. - “The Glamorous Life”

159) George Clinton - “Atomic Dog”

158) 808 State - “Pacific State”

157) Orange Juice - “Rip It Up”

156) Siouxsie and the Banshees - “Cities in Dust”

155) A Guy Called Gerald - “Voodoo Ray”

154) Tangerine Dream - “Love on a Real Train”

153) Joe Jackson - “Steppin' Out”

152) Galaxie 500 - “Tugboat”

151) Dead Kennedys - “Holiday in Cambodia”

150) Beastie Boys - “Paul Revere”

149) Shannon - “Let the Music Play”

148) Al B. Sure! - “Nite and Day”

147) Michael McDonald - “I Keep Forgettin' (Every Time You're Near)”

146) David Bowie - “Modern Love”

145) Liquid Liquid - “Optimo”

144) Big Daddy Kane - “Ain't No Half-Steppin'”

143) Anthony Red Rose - “Tempo”

142) Tears for Fears - “Head Over Heels”

141) Beat Happening - “Indian Summer”

140) Bronski Beat - “Smalltown Boy”

139) Spacemen 3 - “Walkin' With Jesus”

138) Rob Base / DJ E-Z Rock - “It Takes Two”

137) Mission of Burma - “That's When I Reach for My Revolver”

136) Motörhead - “Ace of Spades”

135) Pixies - “Gigantic”

134) Queen & David Bowie - “Under Pressure”

133) Fleetwood Mac - “Everywhere”

132) Godley & Creme - “Cry”

131) Yellowman - “Nobody Move, Nobody Get Hurt”

130) Phil Collins - “In the Air Tonight”

129) This Mortal Coil - “Song to the Siren”

128) R.E.M. - “Radio Free Europe”

127) Cyndi Lauper - “Girls Just Want to Have Fun”

126) Janet Jackson - “Control”

125) The Replacements - “Bastards of Young”

124) De La Soul - “Eye Know”

123) Run-D.M.C. - “It's Like That”

122) Grandmaster & Melle Mel - “White Lines (Don't Don't Do It)”

121) Slick Rick / Doug E. Fresh - “La Di Da Di”

120) Rick James - “Give It to Me Baby”

119) Soul II Soul - “Back to Life (However Do You Want Me)”

118) Minutemen - “History Lesson – Part II”

117) Rhythim Is Rhythim - “Strings of Life”

116) Sade - “Is It a Crime”

115) INXS - “Never Tear Us Apart”

114) Talk Talk - “Life's What You Make It”

113) The Isley Brothers - “Between the Sheets”

112) Nirvana - “About a Girl”

111) The Clash - “The Magnificent Seven” / ”The Magnificent Dance”

110) Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - “The Mercy Seat”

109) The Smiths - “This Charming Man”

108) Frankie Knuckles - “Baby Wants to Ride”

107) Alan Parsons Project - “Eye in the Sky”

106) Madonna - “Borderline”

105) The Cure - “Pictures of You”

104) AC/DC - “Back in Black”

103) Whitney Houston - “How Will I Know”

102) Michael Jackson - “P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)”

101) Eazy-E - “Boyz-n-the-Hood”

100) The Church - “Under the Milky Way”

99) Sister Nancy - “Bam Bam”

98) Violent Femmes - “Blister in the Sun”

97) Chaka Khan / Rufus - “Ain't Nobody”

96) Cherrelle / Alexander O'Neal - “Saturday Love”

95) Grace Jones - “Pull Up to the Bumper”

94) Change - “The Glow of Love”

93) U2 - “With or Without You”

92) Fleetwood Mac - “Gypsy”

91) Bill Withers / Grover Washington, Jr. - “Just the Two of Us”

90) Blondie - “Call Me”

89) Fela Kuti - “Coffin for Head of State”

88) Evelyn "Champagne" King - “Love Come Down”

87) Tenor Saw - “Ring the Alarm”

86) Tracy Chapman - “Fast Car”

85) Luther Vandross - “Never Too Much”

84) Slayer - “Angel of Death”

83) My Bloody Valentine - “You Made Me Realise”

82) Tears for Fears - “Everybody Wants to Rule the World”

81) Diana Ross - “Upside Down”

80) Zapp - “Computer Love”

79) Boogie Down Productions - “South Bronx”

78) The Specials - “Ghost Town”

77) Metallica - “Master of Puppets”

76) Fingers Inc. - “Can You Feel It?”

75) Black Flag - “Rise Above”

74) Dinosaur Jr. - “Freak Scene”

73) Pixies - “Debaser”

72) Bad Brains - “Pay to Cum”

71) Bruce Springsteen - “Atlantic City”

70) Pet Shop Boys - “West End Girls”

69) Prince - “When You Were Mine”

68) Biz Markie - “Just a Friend”

67) Guns N' Roses - “Sweet Child o' Mine”

66) The Replacements - “Alex Chilton”

65) Echo & the Bunnymen - “The Killing Moon”

64) David Bowie - “Let's Dance”

63) Stevie Nicks - “Edge of Seventeen”

62) Art of Noise - “Moments in Love”

61) Gang Starr - “DJ Premier in Deep Concentration”

60) ESG - “Moody”

59) Depeche Mode - “Never Let Me Down Again”

58) Daryl Hall & John Oates - “I Can't Go for That (No Can Do)”

57) Eric B. & Rakim - “Follow the Leader”

56) Bob Marley & the Wailers - “Could You Be Loved”

55) New Order - “Ceremony”

54) Roxy Music - “More Than This”

53) Kraftwerk - “Computer Love”

52) The Stone Roses - “I Wanna Be Adored”

51) Bruce Springsteen - “I'm on Fire”

50) Madonna - “Like a Prayer”

49) Neneh Cherry - “Buffalo Stance”

48) Janet Jackson - “When I Think of You”

47) Joy Division - “Atmosphere”

46) The Jesus and Mary Chain - “Just Like Honey”

45) De La Soul - “Me, Myself and I”

44) Laurie Anderson - “O Superman (For Massenet)”

43) New Order - “Bizarre Love Triangle”

42) Eurythmics - “Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)”

41) Guns N' Roses - “Welcome to the Jungle”

40) The Cure - “Close to Me”

39) Cocteau Twins - “Lorelei”

38) Salt-n-Pepa - “Push It”

37) Tom Tom Club - “Genius of Love”

36) Michael Jackson - “Human Nature”

35) Sade - “The Sweetest Taboo”

34) Afrika Bambaataa & the Soulsonic Force - “Planet Rock”

33) Prince and the Revolution - “I Would Die 4 U”

32) N.W.A - “Fuck tha Police”

31) Frankie Knuckles / Jamie Principle - “Your Love”

30) Beastie Boys - “Shake Your Rump”

29) Diana Ross - “I'm Coming Out”

28) Kate Bush - “Hounds of Love”

27) Janet Jackson - “Love Will Never Do (Without You)”

26) Public Enemy - “Bring the Noise”

25) New Order - “Temptation”

24) Pixies - “Where Is My Mind?”

23) Slick Rick - “Children's Story”

22) Talking Heads - “This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody)”

21) Prince and the Revolution - “Kiss”

20) Whitney Houston - “I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)”

19) Eric B. & Rakim - “Paid in Full” / ”Paid in Full (Seven Minutes of Madness Mix)”

18) Marvin Gaye - “Sexual Healing”

17) Madonna - “Into the Groove”

16) Fugazi - “Waiting Room”

15) Sonic Youth - “Teen Age Riot”

14) The Smiths - “There Is a Light That Never Goes Out”

13) Michael Jackson - “Billie Jean”

12) The Cure - “Just Like Heaven”

11) Prince and the Revolution - “When Doves Cry”

10) The Smiths - “How Soon Is Now?”

9) Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - “The Message”

8) Talking Heads - “Once in a Lifetime”

7) Joy Division - “Love Will Tear Us Apart”

6) Kate Bush “Running Up That Hill (A Deal with God)”

5) Public Enemy - “Fight the Power”

4) New Order - “Blue Monday”

3) N.W.A - “Straight Outta Compton”

2) Michael Jackson - “Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'”

1) Prince and the Revolution - “Purple Rain”

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:28 (eight years ago) link

is "I Feel For You" on the list though? I can really get properly enraged if that's not high on the list

only chaka on this list is "ain't nobody," which i forgot about. "i feel for you" is honorably mentioned but uh

or rather it's a "see also" instead of "honorably mentioned" i'm going to bed

I don't mind Chaka being represented by "Ain't Nobody" on the Pitchfork list.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:35 (eight years ago) link

Ain't Nobody belongs for sure but "I Feel For You" is also the biz. In keeping w/Croupier's dictum I'm throwing out "Radio Free Europe" for "I Feel For You"

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:56 (eight years ago) link

Pretty excited for someone to ask Daryl hall why HE thinks he made an 80s critics pick list that has no Paul Simon, sting or Elvis costello

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:57 (eight years ago) link

You just threw out the only R.E.M. song. Some people's heads just exploded somewhere. xp

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:58 (eight years ago) link

AND he's ahead of rem and Peter gabriel

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link

someone told Daryl in 1984 that he would win thirty years later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTDJKSokVIY

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link

the trooper
you got another thing comin
fuckin', CRAZY TRAIN
a dangerous meeting

nothin'

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:03 (eight years ago) link

oh cool, I wanna do one.

Big Black "Kerosene"
Randy Travis "On The Other Hand"
Bobby Brown "On Our Own"
Phil Collins & Philip Bailey "Easy Lover"
Teena Marie "Lovergirl"
Black Sabbath "Neon Knights"
Tracy Ullman "They Don't Know"
Def Leppard "Hysteria"
The Plimsouls "A Million Miles Away"
Psychedelic Furs "Love My Way"

billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link

The absence of Ronnie James Dio is kinda fucked IMO. Too bad the list wasn't written in August 2010.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:08 (eight years ago) link

no paul simon is pretty bad, also if we're arguing for metal inclusions i'd throw some st. vitus on there

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:13 (eight years ago) link

but i like this list, it's fine

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:13 (eight years ago) link

It is def fine and ok.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:14 (eight years ago) link

another ten potentially replacing the aforementioned ten (and it was d-40's edict not mine)

foreigner, "urgent"
pylon, "cool"
gang of four, "what we all want"
butthole surfers, "the shah sleeps in lee harvey's grave"
taylor dayne, "i'll be your shelter"
cyndi lauper, "money changes everything"
lisa lisa & cult jam, "head to toe"
robert palmer, "johnny & mary"
bangles, "hero takes a fall"
ice-t, "you played yourself"

oh and replace "gypsy" with lindsey's "trouble" and replace one of the smiths songs with rem's "fall on me" or "its the end of the world" THE SMITHS DONT NEED THREE IF REM ONLY HAS ONE, MR HAPPY DAYS TO THE CONTRARY

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:16 (eight years ago) link

dammit apparently "i'll be your shelter" was a '90 single, don't wanna be a hypocrite ok how about bonnie raitt's "nick of time"

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:17 (eight years ago) link

but yeah to reaffirm its a fine list of 200 songs there's just no reason for there to be so many artists appearing multiple times

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:19 (eight years ago) link

This is just based on what Perpetua said to me on fb—he spends a lot of time with people younger than we are—but R.E.M. are incredibly uncool, painfully so, with current 20-somethings.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link

i thought that, but an intern at work said she was a big fan when i suggested as much, maybe people just don't want to talk to matt about them

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, kids don't lose their shit over R.E.M. anymore.

What's the age range of their current staff? Has it always been 20-somethings?

billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link

yeah now kids lose their shit over george benson

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:27 (eight years ago) link

would love to get Perp's thoughts on Chaka Khan

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:30 (eight years ago) link

the timing of the super high placement of "Straight Outta Compton" seems a bit on-the-nose, especially since every list entry urges you to listen to the song on Apple Music

some dude, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link

maybe people just don't want to talk to matt about them

Definite possibility.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:38 (eight years ago) link

xp I think it's probably partly influenced by the current N.W.A re-appreciation due to the film, but when I think of all the other rap songs from the 80s that had a shot at placing that high I can't think of any that has longer legs than that one, especially considering how both directly and indirectly N.W.A charted the course for rap's entire next decade.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:40 (eight years ago) link

talking to Perp about R.E.M. is like talking to me about Gore Vidal: put the money on the bar and quietly walk away.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link

xp I honestly never knew George Benson played on that song. Over time, I've heard a few 20-somethings rep for Bill Withers. But ultimately, this is a tracks list. It doesn't necessarily mean they're repping for the entire discographies of all the artists represented.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link

he sings on it too!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:42 (eight years ago) link

Oh my mistake, I got "Give Me the Night" confused with "Just the Two of Us."

billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:44 (eight years ago) link

oh and replace "gypsy" with lindsey's "trouble"

over my dead body!

REM has always been the worst in my book, I'm never gonna get what people see in them

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:46 (eight years ago) link

oh it's just pretty mush, led zep for scaredycats, but i had their first decade memorized by the age of 15 so i'll argue they should be as represented on this list as tears for fears

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 02:54 (eight years ago) link


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