i don't think he was meaning that, although i may be wrong.
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Friday, 21 August 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link
oh no, i'm very keen on roxy, it was not a slight on her or flopson, i was just being silly.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 21 August 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link
apologies.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 21 August 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link
michiko likes it - http://nyti.ms/1KI5cww
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 11:47 (eight years ago) link
Just glanced at Grantland takedown somebody posted on FB that seems pretty otm
― Exile's Return To Sender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link
I liked his short story in the summer fiction issue
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, July 1, 2015 3:15 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
didnt realize this was an excerpt, it worked stand alone 4 me
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 September 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/the-franzen-of-it-all-purity-and-the-great-american-novelist/
i have broken my vow to never learn the plot of jonathan franzen's 'purity', i guess
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 5 September 2015 05:45 (eight years ago) link
cant you read ferrante instead i miss talking to you about books
― dead (Lamp), Saturday, 5 September 2015 06:02 (eight years ago) link
i saw someone at the bistro i had lunch at with this book on her table, she didnt pick it up once during her meal, preferring the company of her phone
tbf i'm not actually gonna read this
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 5 September 2015 06:58 (eight years ago) link
tbf she was probably making the right choice
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 5 September 2015 06:59 (eight years ago) link
anyway i am reading nell zink and that's already too close to franzen
http://i.minus.com/jbzHff8gxenJou.jpg
― abcfsk, Saturday, 5 September 2015 08:26 (eight years ago) link
i saw someone at the bistro i had lunch at with this book on her table, she didnt pick it up once during her meal, preferring the company of her phone― dead (Lamp), Saturday, September 5, 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dead (Lamp), Saturday, September 5, 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
#winningAtLife
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 5 September 2015 09:17 (eight years ago) link
Now imagining Franzen sitting right behind her and fuming.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 5 September 2015 09:23 (eight years ago) link
I loved that Grantland piece.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 September 2015 11:18 (eight years ago) link
yeah, it's kinda beautiful!
― scott seward, Saturday, 5 September 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
I'm on vacation in Sanibel this weekend, and visiting the local bookstore I saw a copy of Purity. I held it up and said to the cashier, "You're gonna sell a lot of these."
She nodded. "Unfortunately."
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 September 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
ha!
― scott seward, Saturday, 5 September 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
my grandparents used to have a house there. on that island. in the olden days. it was nice.
guys, im hearing you all want to do a purity read-along
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 September 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link
purity laugh-along more like
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 5 September 2015 22:56 (eight years ago) link
Purity of essence
― Bon Iver Meets G.I. Joe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 September 2015 23:05 (eight years ago) link
a copy of 'purity' a new novel by johnny franzen was sitting on my dining room table when i got home last night. i'm still not sure how it got there...
― dead (Lamp), Monday, 7 September 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
I'm 40 pages in, enjoying the writing more than the story
― calstars, Monday, 7 September 2015 01:56 (eight years ago) link
you should leave it on a table at your local starbucks coffee franchise or one of its independent competitors
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 7 September 2015 02:37 (eight years ago) link
what a hateful thing to say
― dead (Lamp), Monday, 7 September 2015 03:21 (eight years ago) link
"“Maybe being male is like being born a predator, and maybe the only right thing for the predator to do, if it sympathizes with smaller animals and won’t accept that it was born to kill them, is to betray its nature and starve to death”
― calstars, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 00:30 (eight years ago) link
“I have often wondered what the prey is feeling when it is captured. Often it seems to become completely still in the predator’s jaws, as if it feels no pain. As if nature, at the very end, shows mercy for it.”
― calstars, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 00:33 (eight years ago) link
oh franzenpaws
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 00:47 (eight years ago) link
― Bon Iver Meets G.I. Joe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 01:53 (eight years ago) link
there are a couple-few articles on the internet presenting being pro-franzen as a contrarian position and they make me sad and disheartened
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
beautiful http://review.gawker.com/jonathan-franzens-purity-is-an-irrelevant-piece-of-shit-1729287392
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
judging by this thread, being pro-franzen probably is a contrarian position at this point
― Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
there are abt 8thousand more worthy targets for all the shit he gets but whatever
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link
its essentially become a meme for ppl who mostly have never read anything hes written except perhaps excerpts im guessing
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
thats true up to a point (certainly the more worthy targets part)
i have read the corrections, i recall thinking it was ok at the time (this was like 2009 iirc, i was still in college), i tried freedom and was like "nahdawg" within a chapter or so, then i started noticing the things he was saying out loud
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
"Often it seems to become completely still in the predator’s jaws, as if it feels no pain. As if nature, at the very end, shows mercy for it.”
Franzen seems utterly captivated by his own ignorant musings. Predators are attracted by motion and many prey animals remain motionless when afraid. What he is describing is commonly called "petrified by fear".
― Aimless, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link
halfway through this, feel compelled to read one of his novels so i can credibly criticize him. the scene where pip throws herself to her knees before Stephen and takes her sweater and bra off and practically begs him to fuck her was so appalling & hilarious. just got to the section with the evil feminist caricature. can't wait to be done
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
I really don't get the vitriol
― calstars, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
xp you're allowed to stop reading
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
I have not read the book but to me it sounds like Calvinism or Buddhism, to give it an -ism.
― youn, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link
this is fairly accurate for me, i have to admit. i haven't read any of his books, but i have read several non-fiction pieces by him, and they were witless and dour and unfunny, which is what put me off
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Thursday, 10 September 2015 00:48 (eight years ago) link
and in interviews he seems to be a dickhead too
― johnny crunch,
Name them.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2015 01:02 (eight years ago) link
I can mutter a mild "yes" when acknowledging that social media can turn against someone too quickly these days, but for a best seller whose novels get automatic Important Novel status he deserves backlash for the facile shit he got away with too easily. Also, I can say, "Franzen is essentially a favorite of people who mostly never read any contemporary fiction."
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2015 01:04 (eight years ago) link
yea i mean hes not a fav of mine, some backlash is fine, hes clumsy abt plenty of things, but hes a p good fiction writer and ill continue to read him
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 10 September 2015 01:07 (eight years ago) link
name who? i just mean the vitrolic vibe. its v much piling on
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 10 September 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link
i think ive said before that his non-fic is terrible imo, & i have ignored it since that how to be alone compilation
what james said. about essays and interviews and dickheadism. and the bits of the novels i have read are always terrible and accidently hilarious. so, the accidental hilarity is a good thing, i guess!
― scott seward, Thursday, 10 September 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link