Bob Dylan: Borrower or thief?

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i thought of this thread today when i was listening to Blind Willie McTell's "Death Cell Blues" and recognized the verses from Willie Dixon's "Third Degree."

I first listened to McTell a couple years back when I heard Dylan's "Willie McTell," which has the same tune as "St. James Infirmary Blues."

Anyway, did David Johansen give Dylan an "arrangement" credit on his Harry Smiths version of "Delia," which was Dylan's combination of McTell's "Delia" and Reverend Gary Davis' "All the Friends I Ever Had Are Gone" from World Gone Wrong?

to sum up: thieves, all of 'em.

p@reene (Pareene), Sunday, 27 August 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

How clued were Dylan, Clapton, Page, et al regarding the mechanics of copyrights, how old were they, how powerful was their management, and even who owned their publishing? Publishing companies and artist management is very powerful in these situations and it's more than possible that these guys had no say in it whatsoever.

dunno 'bout dylan and page, but cream (more jack bruce than clapton, it would seem) actually went to some lengths to make sure the correct people were credited and actually received royalties. they had personal contact with skip james and saw to it that he got $ from "i'm so glad." skip saw them play the song shortly before his death, and his widow sent a letter of gratitude to jack bruce.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Sunday, 27 August 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Re "Honky Tonk Women": Hear Ike Turner's 1970 "Takin' Back My Name," which borrows several licks from the record.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 27 August 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Again, this is a little off teh intent of the original thread, but I think still is germain to the discussion. I believe that Jogn Lee Hooker sued ZZ Top for La Grange as a ripoff of (I think) Boogie Chillun... If I recall the recall the challenge correctly (and plese, blues people, kick my ass if I'm wrong) it was based on the used of the boogie riff (...I'm mean, c'mon... his lawyers were reachin' on that one) and that they used the singature Hooker catch phrase ("how how how how") I beleive that the case got tossed. I suspect that the ZZ Top guys (who are fuckin geezers themselves and been aroudn long enough to know how bad people have been boned, prob'ly themselves included at some point) were simply doing a boogie tune and thought it would be cool to quote the Hooker phrase (a common practice in jazz) So, the question is at what point does a quote become a ripoff? Leave that to the lawyers, maybe...

Bass-man (bassguy), Sunday, 27 August 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link


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