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Related news: we've (Kid Congo & band) just recorded basic tracks for our first album and will hopefully find someone to release it within the year. It sounds like a big glowing ball of RoxyMorriconeContortionsSexGlitch.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

CLASSIC for Fire Of Love, even if they never recorded another note. How Fun House might've sounded if the Stooges specialized in Delta blues & rockabilly. Miami was OK but kinda redundant. Can't remember what Las Vegas Story was like - which is not to say it's necessarily unmemorable.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

RoxyMorriconeContortionsSexGlitch

This sounds fantastic in theory!

I've just put Fire Of Love on because of this thread. Let's go kill Ivy, woah-oh!!

Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
I only have the first two -- but they're completely fucking classic. I'm not sure which one I like more -- Fire of Love has better sound (although I'm used to the production of Miami now) but I think Miami just might have better songs. I didn't get to acquire The Las Vegas Story and Death Party though when I came back to Vinyl Fever for them several months back they haven't restocked the reissues since.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 4 July 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

ihttp://www.ago.net/info/ago_exhibitions/exhibition_large.cfm?ID=2740

Cool piece of art, named "Gun Club". Strips of dyed velvet. Apparently it IS named after the band.

http://www.ago.net/info/ago_exhibitions/exhibition_large.cfm?ID=2740

pauls00, Monday, 4 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Trippy!

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 4 July 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

This is David Smay's piece on them from our anthology Lost in the Grooves...

The Gun Club - Fire of Love (Ruby, 1981)

This isn't southern gothic, it's feral white trash. Jeffrey Lee Pierce is Jack White’s charming older brother until the Wild Turkey comes on; then he’s an arrogant prick swathed in a cloud of Aqua-Net.

The Gun Club had a long career after this album and never hit this mark again. The rhythm section of Rob Ritter and Terry Graham hounds Jeffrey Lee through the scrub pine, chasing down the hollow keen of his voice. Ward Dotson's slide guitar slashes wildly at Pierce, coming after him from the shadows like a trucklot whore with her pimp’s buck knife.

The lyrics whip past your head until you catch one in the face: “I’ve been a real good tombstone / but now I’m blown away.” Gun Club co-founder (but absent from this first record) Kid Congo later covered “She’s Like Heroin To Me” with Sally Norvell, where it loomed in the half-light with an eerie, narcotic allure. "We sit together drunk / like our fathers used to be / I'm looking up and God is saying, 'What are you gonna do?' / I'm looking up and I'm crying, 'I thought it was up to you.'" Pierce sends murderous, adoring valentines to Ivy Rorschach ("For the Love of Ivy") and gets at a piece of Robert Johnson on "Preaching the Blues" that nobody else ever touched.

Then there’s the "Sex Beat," which isn’t sexy or erotic but base, urgent, murderous, nothing more than a criminal motive as unconsidered as the reflex at the base of a dog’s hunched spine. The sex beat hammers away like an all day speed freak. It’s dry hump sex; it’s a black pubic hair caught in a crust of blood on polyblend panties. It’s just a fact, a part of the mosquito landscape.

This record forges the earliest link between punk and blues. For hippies the blues represented a base truth and authenticity. For Pierce it’s raw, repetitive, hypnotic, clangorous, syphilitic. Ultimately, Jeffrey Lee drugged and drank and fucked himself into the grave, but don't get this record because he lived out his blues cliche. Get it because he knew his special rider in the dark, and he had a band that could preach the blues in hell. (David Smay)

Kim Cooper, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

This is David Smay's piece on them from our anthology Lost in the Grooves
(more info at http://www.scrammagazine.com/scrambookslitg.html)...

The Gun Club - Fire of Love (Ruby, 1981)

This isn't southern gothic, it's feral white trash. Jeffrey Lee Pierce is Jack White’s charming older brother until the Wild Turkey comes on; then he’s an arrogant prick swathed in a cloud of Aqua-Net.

The Gun Club had a long career after this album and never hit this mark again. The rhythm section of Rob Ritter and Terry Graham hounds Jeffrey Lee through the scrub pine, chasing down the hollow keen of his voice. Ward Dotson's slide guitar slashes wildly at Pierce, coming after him from the shadows like a trucklot whore with her pimp’s buck knife.

The lyrics whip past your head until you catch one in the face: “I’ve been a real good tombstone / but now I’m blown away.” Gun Club co-founder (but absent from this first record) Kid Congo later covered “She’s Like Heroin To Me” with Sally Norvell, where it loomed in the half-light with an eerie, narcotic allure. "We sit together drunk / like our fathers used to be / I'm looking up and God is saying, 'What are you gonna do?' / I'm looking up and I'm crying, 'I thought it was up to you.'" Pierce sends murderous, adoring valentines to Ivy Rorschach ("For the Love of Ivy") and gets at a piece of Robert Johnson on "Preaching the Blues" that nobody else ever touched.

Then there’s the "Sex Beat," which isn’t sexy or erotic but base, urgent, murderous, nothing more than a criminal motive as unconsidered as the reflex at the base of a dog’s hunched spine. The sex beat hammers away like an all day speed freak. It’s dry hump sex; it’s a black pubic hair caught in a crust of blood on polyblend panties. It’s just a fact, a part of the mosquito landscape.

This record forges the earliest link between punk and blues. For hippies the blues represented a base truth and authenticity. For Pierce it’s raw, repetitive, hypnotic, clangorous, syphilitic. Ultimately, Jeffrey Lee drugged and drank and fucked himself into the grave, but don't get this record because he lived out his blues cliche. Get it because he knew his special rider in the dark, and he had a band that could preach the blues in hell. (David Smay)

Kim Cooper, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 01:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Big Ol' PLUG:

The new Kid Congo & The Pink Monkey Birds album should be (indie label gods willing) out by September, but if you're on Myspace you can listen to two of the tracks here: http://myspace.com/kidcongoandthepinkmonkeybirds

I'm in the band. I'd like to know what my fellow ILM'ers think. xox

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

When you say new album does that mean you've released material before? I'm very interested in hearing it, will it be released/distributed worldwide? European tour, any time?

willem (willem), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

This is our first album so the "new" shouldn't have been in that description. It's on the Trans-Solar label out of Berlin and, yes, it'll be available pretty much worldwide. Tour of Europe possibly in autumn.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah thanks. Found Kid Congo's website; I'll keep an eye out for future tour dates.

willem (willem), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
so goddamn classic

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

they just leave me cold. i just don't get them.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dud

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate you both.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic! A couple of months ago I saw the White Stripes live, and before getting to the stage they put "Fire of Love". They were playing in this really big arena, so it was weird (but refreshing) to be part of a 15000-people crowd where everybody were listening to this album.

(Though my personal favorite's probably be Miami)

iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I still love The Las Vegas Story far more than their other output. Is it just me?

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Fire of Love is one of my 10 or so favorite "punk" albums.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

their last album, lucky jim is one of the saddest and most touching albums i have ever heard. i can hardly listen to it anymore these days. miami was a little disappointing i found, it really pales next to fire of love. of the cds i have divinity is my fave, i guess. there is something diabolic about jeffrey lee pierce and i find it extremely attractive.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 29 September 2005 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Classic, I TELL YOU AGAIN.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I just bought Fire of Love on a friend's recommendation. I hadn't heard them before at all, and I fuckin' love the album. It's the best of the current crop I've bought/downloaded, and that includes albums by the Rolling Stones, John Lennon, S.O.D., Anthrax, Slayer, Prince, Jane's Addiction, The Pop Group, Captain Beefheart, The Kinks, and Jimi Hendrix. So there! Totally fucking CLASSIC!! I'm about to go on a listening binge with Fire.

regular roundups (Dave M), Monday, 13 February 2006 06:30 (eighteen years ago) link

definitely classic

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 13 February 2006 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Unfortunately this band broke up too, but I'd like to mention that 16 Horsepower is the closest I've heard any other band approach Jeffery Lee Pierce's spirit. A mix of Gun Club, Joy Division, Nick Cave and bluegrass. You can hear their cover of "Fire Spirit" on the live Hoarse album, alongwith covers of Creedence and Joy Division, and some of David Eugene Edwards' most intense originals. I hope Edwards keeps making records.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 13 February 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link

not just classic,one of the best bands ever (or better:one of the best jeffry's ever)

howld, Monday, 13 February 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

May be of some interest.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 13 February 2006 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
What's with JLP's use of the "N-Word". Is that the proper way to say it? "N-Word"?

I know there's a lyric or two on Fire Of Love or Miami (both records I love) but I'm listening to a great bootleg from 1982 and at the beginning of Jack On Fire he just says "N-Word".

Is this ok?

derekerdman (Derek Erdmany), Sunday, 8 October 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

No. Bootlegs are illegal because they constitute the sale of artistic property for which the artists and record companies receive no royalties. Until the Gun Club's surviving members agree to release a recording of this 1982 concert to the public domain, you have no right to listen to and speculate about this curious version of "Jack on Fire" -- and aye, you are a criminal for doing so.

To address the heart of the matter, Jeffrey Lee Pierce was not a racist; he loved and respected black people, and he was an avid follower of many blues and reggae artists. He certainly wasn't a bigot on account of his lyrics. In his music he used a device called a persona, which is to say he delivered his songs from the perspective of a fictional character whose views were not necessarily consistent with his own. If the line "I was hunting for niggers down in the dark" makes you uncomfortable, just pretend the narrator of the song is a deranged mid-20th-century Kentucky preacher whose wife just left him for a black woodcutter whose name is probably LaDerrick. And if you're offended by Jeffrey's casual use of the word "nigger" at the beggining of "Jack on Fire," just pretend he was hopped up on heroin -- and thuis deprived of his social conscience -- for the duration of the concert. [/prolixity]

King-a-Ling (King-a-Ling), Sunday, 8 October 2006 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Basically, Jeffrey Lee's authenticity gave him the right to invoke the language of racism and evil.

King-a-Ling (King-a-Ling), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

"It is not an art statement/to drown a few passionate men"

Fire of Love totally beyond classic

J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

She's like heroin to me, she cannot miss the vein... Wow. Fuck "Miami", it's indeed all about "Fire of Love"... Oddly the GC is currently being revived here in Montreal by an up and coming band which regularly plays covers of their songs during their live sets. The Club's really another one of these obscure bands from which spring various cult figures... the Kid, Patti Morrison... It's a bit like Crime & the City Solution, confidentially yours...

And "Sex Beat"! What an album-opener!

-- Simon, Wednesday, April 4, 2001 12:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

i wonder what band this was/is

s1ocki, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 02:15 (sixteen years ago) link

mother of earth (from 'miami') is one of my favourite songs of all time.

estela, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

are the gun club really obscure these days? i remember tons of kids seeming to dig/ at least know about them -- goths, rockers, punkers, mockers...

but then i do speak of twenty-plus years ago.

and yeah i love them a lot, in small doses. best rev. gary davis cover, ever.

Mike McGooney-gal, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link

ohh wait that's son house, doh.

Mike McGooney-gal, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link

are the gun club really obscure these days? i remember tons of kids seeming to dig/ at least know about them -- goths, rockers, punkers, mockers...

but then i do speak of twenty-plus years ago.

lol

latebloomer, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link

i wonder what band this was/is

Godspeed You Sex Beat

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:51 (sixteen years ago) link

are the gun club really obscure these days?

yes

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Waht! I thought they were pretty well known.

Trayce, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I wouldn't have heard of them if not for the Left of the Dial comp which I only came across thanks to the internet. Even then they were still buried amongst 50 other artists.

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I knew about them cause of the Guthrie production, apparently "Breaking Hands" is awesome tho I dont know if I have it/have heard it.

Trayce, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I know their music from way back when.

Kid Congo's living in DC these days. He was in the row ahead of me seeing "the Fabulous Stans" movie at the Library of Congress a little while back.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:35 (sixteen years ago) link

His new album's pretty nice, and there's ILXor involvement...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 07:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Two Lone Swordsmen are doing their best to revive them.

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 08:39 (sixteen years ago) link

My typo above--Kid Congo was seeing the "Fabulous Stains" movie. I am also trying to remember if I ever saw the Gun Club. I know I missed them opening for the Cramps at the Bayou in Georgetown (DC) because I was studying for a final. Hmmmm, I wonder if they ever came back to town.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Lucky Jim's a bit crap though, IMO.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 29 February 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I wouldn't have heard of them if not for the Left of the Dial comp. . . . .

And what a fantastic -- utterly classic -- comp it is.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 30 May 2008 02:59 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Original drummer Terry Graham has got a Kickstarter going for a book project on the time/place -- looks well worth it!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1417342148/its-a-book-punk-like-meliner-notes-for-a-revolutio

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

"Lucky Jim's a bit crap though"
no it isn't. it is one of the great last albums. like nirvana's unplugged.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 6 August 2010 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link


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