Neil Young On The Beach Reissued On CD

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Err, me.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

then elaborate, bro! I'm curious to find out what Neil Young hate reads like.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

Nah, it's just the usual boring pre-emptive, guessing of fans' intentions, fear of the future, guitar-love, boringboring-didImention-boring lyrics rubbish. My hate of Neil is a projected hate from a perceived notion of his fans.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

For some reason though I own ALL of his albums.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

How Wagnerian!

4mateurist (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Pardon me?

the real amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

Ragged Glory came out when I was 13 or so, and I remember thinking it just plain ROCKED at the time. "Farmer John," "Fuckin' Up" and "Over and Over," esp. Definitely one of those, "Man, this is good, and I think even I could play THIS" moments. I started playing music shortly thereafter. While it doesn't hit me nearly as hard when I listen to it now, I still hold it in pretty high esteem.

Isn't it true that Geffen sued Neil Young in the '80s, circa Everybody's Rockin' and Landing on Water, for not sounding enough like Neil Young and therefore breaching his contract? I heard this somewhere and thought it was pretty funny. "Look, Mr. Young, we want another Harvest and we want it now! Put down the Vocoder!"

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe you guys don't like Silver and Gold. That album is a must on the road trips, man. I guess I just like Neil in slo-mo mode (I also love Harvest Moon).

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

Is it as slow as "Helpless." Because that song is a fucking miracle.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

freedom really hasnt aged well to me all,used to love it, played it the other day the chessy synth and backing vocals...awful. mirror ball if only for the lyrics on Im the ocean, sleeps with angels/ broken arrow both underated to me.as for the cd releases, alleluia.

Kiwi, Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:29 (twenty years ago) link

freedom definitely has some clunkers (worst is probably "Someday," at least partially because when he says "Rommel" I can't stop thinking about Side Hackers), but I think most of side one, "Wrecking Ball" and both versions of "Rockin'" hold up great.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Ok, so what does everyone think of the new reissues. i picked them all up yesterday.

"on the beach" is of course fantastic, ive had it for some time on a cdr bootleg ripped from someone's vinyl which was a little grainy and played slightly too fast probably due to the turntable it was ripped off being just that little bit too fast as well. but i still loved the songs even then, everyone of them means something special to me and i often listed it as my favorite neil young album even though i only had that crappy cdr. of course the remaster is a big improvement in terms of quality (a great remastering job, looks like theres been a lot of effort put in, it sounds alive!), and i love it. if you havent heard it before, now is the perfect time.

and now onto the 3 lesser known and sometimes critically dismissed records that i hadn't heard before, ive tried to do mini reviews:
"american stars and bars" - i like this a lot, a lot of country rockers, all of them pretty good i think ("old country waltz" is a lovely opener i think). and the second half of the record is even better than that, "star of bethlehem", "will to love", the already well known "like a hurricane", and "homegrown" all classic i think.
thus all in all a good album, and the second half is classic.

"hawks and doves" - i like the first and mostly acoustic half of this record, "little wing", "the old homestead", and "captain kennedy" are all pretty lovely. the second half, mostly country rockers (which feel a bit second rate compared to the ones on american stars and bars) hasnt made much impression on me yet, i think theres supposed to be some sort of political context to the songs "union man" and "hawks and doves" but its difficult to make out how serious neil is. i need to listen to these songs again, but to me the second half seems a bit meh.

"re ac tor" - certainly not neil and crazy horse's best, but i enjoyed it still, i actually rather liked "t-bone", its a good metaphor for my life "Got mashed potato, aint got no t-bone"... most of it sounds like neil and crazy horse just whacked it out in a few hours in a garage, and sure theres a certain tossed off element to it, but often gloriously so, the band plays it very loose, and they just jam out the songs. sure a lot of them aint lyrically expansive (although "shots" is quite deep and is an absolute gem of a song, probably best on the album) but for a lot of songs it works, on "opera star" and "surfer joe and moe the sleeze" the lyrics are simple but say everything they need to say. "rapid transit" is a little disappointing, i think its trying to make a point about the "new wave" movement, but the music is too stuttering for it to fit crazy horse's playing and it just doesnt really work. but all in all, i liked this album, its not classic but i think its rather underrated. mind you, if you arent interested in neil and crazy horse doin good long jams, then you probably wont get as much out of it. but i do.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

of course these are just initial opinions (other than with "on the beach" which ive had a vinyl rip on cdr for a long time), ive given them all a good few listens, but my opinions may evolve slightly over time.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

'will to love' is breathtaking... it really has the spook.

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
I picked up "Hawks and Doves" and "On the Beach." "On the Beach" is devestating and beautiful all the way through. However, I'm at a total loss as to why no one else seems to appreciate the greatness of "Lost in Space", (track 3 of H/D). That song is absolutely classic and by far the best thing on that record.

theodore fogelsanger, Friday, 9 January 2004 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

on the beach has that one awful blues, vampire blues or whatever

and the lyrics on the last two tracks still bug me even though i love the arrangements

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

Zuma is definetely his best work.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

i love vampire blues! and the lyrics on the last 2 tracks are close to being my favorite neil young lyrics ever! horses for courses i guess

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

even the "we can get together for some scenes" stuff? ugh.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

i think the lyrics on both motion pictures and ambulance blues (including that line) are classic, in a stoned, tired, lettin-it-all-go sort of way. it works for me anyway.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

ok

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

I know what you mean amateurist but i like the lyrics there because they're very daring, sort of unstuctured and/or unsuitable for song, directly personally relevant to him and virtually unfiltered for us.
It's as if he's having a conversation with us, albeit a teary one where he's breaking down and tugging our sleeves. I also love all the folk stuff, playing 'heartfelt' music in his younger days.
No Ambulance Blues is just great, and so's its 'heavenly length'.

pete s, Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i mean i sometimes like the lyrics for the same reason i dislike them--they are sort of undaunted by a concern for being poetic or even sounding particularly nice, and they let it all hang out as far as sense and good taste is concerned. but certain lines i find really jarring and unsuited to the musical backing. it depends on my mood i guess.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly, they nag at you for being so imperfect, sloppy, and uncaring of your presence - that's why the album's 'disturbing' rep is completely justified. This is what makes it so good, IMO, it crystallizes his state(s) of mind, if he'd tightened up and pulled a 'Tired Eyes' out of the bag i wouldn't enjoy it half as much.
I much prefer it to Tonight's the Night.

pete s, Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

see they don't really "disturb" me though they just annoy me

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
re.ac.tor does kinda suck.

this thread does not have enough discussion of RAGGED GLORY, for my liking. What a great album THAT is!

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 28 January 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ian, bro, ... "SHOTS" !

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 January 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i will listen to it again.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 28 January 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

everyone OTM on the lyrics of Ocean Beach. i see we're all feeling the Neil back and forth, up and down. more and more the music feels the same; depends on my mood, but even when it doesn't sound right, there's something that draws you to it and opens your mouth - and when its good for you.... anyway, i've been mesmerized lately by the eerie guitar tone he achieves on Zuma's Pardon My Heart.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link

"Ambulance Blues" and "See the Sky (About to Rain)" sound even more desolate at 2 am than Joy Division.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 28 January 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

title track really gets me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKgj1FNToWY

Hall of Fam (Spottie), Monday, 9 July 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

I need a crowd of people... but I cant face them day to day

Hall of Fam (Spottie), Monday, 9 July 2018 23:59 (five years ago) link

incredible album. the first time i heard this i had found a copy on a cassette tape in a thrift store. it had On the Beach on one side and Re-Ac-Tor on the other. i ended up going on tour soon after that and it ended up being the perfect road tunes. just sheer beauty from top to bottom. "Ambulance Blues" is so heartbreaking. An ambulance can only go so fast holy fuck that's a spooky line.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link

title track is all-time

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:31 (five years ago) link

An ambulance can only go so fast

neil has an endless number of lyrics that are sort of banal but also somehow incredibly moving and deep and full of meaning to me

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link

oh yeah absolutely. lots of examples on this album, but the best is obviously from tired eyes: "he tried to do his best, but he could not"

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link

boz scaggs cover is surprisingly good

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link

i love the arrangements on here, all the different instrumental textures that perfectly match the songs. you have your country rock throughout but you also have your stripped down back porch banjo of "For the Turnstiles", the watery tremelo Wurlitzer of "See the Sky About to Rain", that cosmic fiddle in the distance of that final track. Neil invoking some potent atmospheres.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link

Neil Young – vocals; guitar on "Walk On", "Revolution Blues", "Vampire Blues", "On the Beach", "Motion Pictures" and "Ambulance Blues"; harmonica on "See the Sky About to Rain", "Motion Pictures" and "Ambulance Blues"; Wurlitzer electric piano on "See the Sky About to Rain"; banjo guitar on "For the Turnstiles"; electric tambourine on "Ambulance Blues"

lol electric tambourine?

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:26 (five years ago) link

http://tvmiller.com/images/etambourine_3.jpg

willem, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link

funny what a big deal this coming out on CD was back in the day! tracking down the LP in the early 90s was a formative experience — a friend of my brother's had played it for us, and it seemed unbelievable that something so great could be so (generally) unavailable. definitely made me realize there was a whole world of music that you weren't going to find at the mall.

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:38 (five years ago) link

i found a cd bootleg of this backed with american stars and bars on my 20th birthday, the same day i bought a copy of shakey which has just come out

that was a fuckin’ great day

i listened to that bootleg so much that even now that i have access to pristine remastered on the beach i still expect to hear the bootleg’s needledrop and occasional vinyl pop and crackle during certain parts

dang, that's a nice combo. Stars N Bars rules too.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link

An ambulance can only go so fast

neil has an endless number of lyrics that are sort of banal but also somehow incredibly moving and deep and full of meaning to me

― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:11 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Want to say that line in particular, after listening to “Ambulance Blues” for all these years, hit me like a ton of bricks about a year ago.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link

funny what a big deal this coming out on CD was back in the day! tracking down the LP in the early 90s was a formative experience — a friend of my brother's had played it for us, and it seemed unbelievable that something so great could be so (generally) unavailable. definitely made me realize there was a whole world of music that you weren't going to find at the mall.

― tylerw, Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:38 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god i remember this phenomenal little record store near where i grew up, i stocked up on so many classic LPs in perfect shape. everything was like $4.00, including my copies of all the key Neil Young LPs. I went there and in one fell swoop picked up the ditch trilogy, After the Gold Rush, Harvest, and Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere for maybe $25 plus tax. On the Beach was the real eye-opener. I think its unavailability meant it was overlooked or even dismissed by the mainstream critical community at the time, as was Time Fades Away. I remember so many pieces about TTN but nothing about those. But I remember spinning OTB and thinking what a great LP it was, like a sardonic sun-soaked "Rockford Files with a slightly bummer ending" type work it was, vs the noirish complete bleakness of TTN.

omar little, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link

oh yeah absolutely. lots of examples on this album, but the best is obviously from tired eyes: "he tried to do his best, but he could not"

― supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:13 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a great example too

I usually find it pretty bullshitty when musicians say "oh i don't know where my lyrics/music come from, i'm just channeling it from somewhere" but with Neil sometimes I really do believe he doesn't know exactly what his songs are about

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link

I think always explains why Neil can pull such mind-blowing boners when writing lyrics too (like say 90% of the last ten yrs) cuz yeah I think he really is tapping into his subconscious and I can imagine when yr writing you might think "man that line is really banal & clunky but, hey it worked in the 70s!"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link


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