Black Cascade has grown on me to the point where I now think it's better than Two Hunters and as good as Diadem.
― A. Begrand, Thursday, 2 April 2009 08:02 (fourteen years ago) link
im still not sure about black cascade. i was expecting there to be more of the droney freak out stuff from malevolant grain but its played much straighter, even more so than two hunters.
― straightola, Thursday, 2 April 2009 08:27 (fourteen years ago) link
They have a good, evocative name.
Yes indeed, always makes me think of Steve Bull getting his MBE from the Queen.
Anyhow, looking forward to hearing the new one.
― Dom Cry For Me, Passantino (NickB), Thursday, 2 April 2009 08:41 (fourteen years ago) link
their name finally makes good on all those years of lesser "wolf" bands.
its played much straighter
that's my initial impression of black cascade too. on first go-round i like two hunters better, but i'm new to all of it so i need to give it more time to sink in (or wash over me, as the case may be). good band, though.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 April 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link
i saw them last year, opening for Nachtmystium. They were great, better set than Nachtystium's (and indeed, quite a few of the metal horde left after Wolves stopped playing.) One of the best shows I saw last year. I knew about the EP, but had no idea a new full-length was coming out ... nice!
― Plunge Protection Team, Thursday, 2 April 2009 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
the full length is far more brutal than the ep.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 2 April 2009 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
so after some more times through i really like the toughness of black cascade. if you take it as a package with malevolent grain, it's like the raging id to the EP's superego. or something.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 11 April 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Brutal is good...
― leavethecapital, Saturday, 11 April 2009 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
they're playing with krallice next month, i'm gonna try to go.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 11 April 2009 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
they are playing here on sunday
kind of digging the long droney stretches on black cascade
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 06:11 (fourteen years ago) link
saw them tonight, they were HUGE and good. so much sound. (krallice opened, they were awright.)
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe i was too close??? idk
totally wanted to love them and just didnt
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 05:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i wanted to love them and did. completely enveloping. i would've stayed for a second set.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 06:21 (fourteen years ago) link
they're playing austin in a couple weeks maybe i'll give them another try
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link
completely enveloping is otm. how close were you??
― Is because I think a lot of the music you like is flowery? (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i was toward back of the room, but it's a very small room (the studio at webster hall). then for the last song or so i moved up into the middle.
i also had several margaritas and beers before the show. probably helped with the immersion.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link
see i feel like i was 10 feet away
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I should probably give them a go if they tour the UK. I've been a bit underwhelmed by the records, but there don't seem to be many bands doing this kind of BM live, and I can believe it's a whole different experience. Particularly if they play in the woods.
― Soukesian, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i was probably 15 feet away and i thought it was perfect.
― Is because I think a lot of the music you like is flowery? (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Bummed that I missed them on the UK tour at the start of the year. They were due to play down here the day all the snow hit the country. Don't know if the gig went ahead or not, but I'd like to think that they ended up stranded out on the moors somewhere, playing a gig in a snow cave to an audience of black metal badgers.
― Enemy Insects (NickB), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Didn't even know they were coming - I hope I'm not about to find out about Darkspace touching down in the UK after the event!
― Soukesian, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
the contrast between wolves and krallice was interesting, because it's not like krallice was quiet or anything, and they worked up some good hammering grooves, but wolves' sound was just so much vaster.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
(and i know the headliner always gets to play louder. but it wasn't just a matter of volume in the decibel sense, it was volume in the dimensional filling-the-room sense.)
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
i loved both of them - Krallice was def noodlier tho?
maybe i am just experiencing anti 6 string bass player bias
― unattainable panini (jjjusten), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
krallice def noodlier, yeah. although somewhat less than on the album (partly because a lot of the noodling got buried in fuzz). the noodliness gets a bit much for me on record, even though dude is no doubt a guitar hero.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
krallice when i saw them played three songs, one of which was probably about 20 minutes long. so yeah, there was noodling.
― Is because I think a lot of the music you like is flowery? (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
BIG HOOS I will go to this with you.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:23 PM (3 hours ago)
definitely true that they were the loudest thing i saw all night
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
and yeah dude lemme check the finances but i'm pretty sure i'm down for that
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
xp
I mean I guess my issue was that I kept waiting on the blast beats or howls or something resembling a guitar riff but instead it was just this wash of earcrushing sad static. Not that I have a problem with that as a matter of course, but it just wasn't really what I expected or wanted. As it stood I kept going "is that the drums? are there beats somewhere behind the squall?"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe the mix wasnt great? the seperation was great when i saw them (admittedly, the club they were at is by far the best venue in town as far as sound goes)
― anal jaguar dudes (jjjusten), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmm I bet every one of these shows sounded better than the time I saw them in a bowling alley in 2004.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow that sounded pompous and wasn't meant to.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahahahaha
― anal jaguar dudes (jjjusten), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ok its official i'm goin next sunday
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 May 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
u down ilxor moniker man or
I always hear this band name to the tune of Adolescents' "Kids of the Black Hole"Also, I love these guys
― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 28 May 2009 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link
hoos i feel strong positive about your next exposure to these guys
― AMYL NATHRAKH (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 May 2009 04:31 (fourteen years ago) link
seeing them saturday night. two-hour drive to the middle of nowhere, which seems appropriate.
― mte, Thursday, 28 May 2009 14:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Every time I see this thread title, I sing it (in my head) to the tune of "Thieves in the Temple."
― Bathtime at the Apollo (G00blar), Thursday, 28 May 2009 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost: "just this wash of earcrushing sad static."
My kind of BM action - I definitely have to seem them live.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 28 May 2009 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Just picked up Black Cascade on vinyl (Southern Lord do a great package!). Seems a lot straighter than Diadem of Twelve Stars (the only other WITTR album I have), if that's the right word. I'm not sure yet whether that's a good thing.
― Duke, Sunday, 20 September 2009 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
it is, the ep before it had stuff more like the last album. It is great though!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 20 September 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Initial reaction is good -- the problem to my ears is that, if it's too straight it can quickly descend into goth-ness à la Nephilim (if you know what I mean), which is a bad thing. The first track especially had some slower guitar riffs that got me worried.
― Duke, Sunday, 20 September 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm with Herman on this. The preceding e.p. is the best thing they've ever done.
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 20 September 2009 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I was actually meaning the album is great, but yes, the ep is great too and I prob do prefer it!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 20 September 2009 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
duke you need to listen to two hunters
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 20 September 2009 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
had never heard of these guys, and accidentally went to a show at the empty bottle (free mondays, yay!) and they R00L3D, and then I promptly forgot they existed.
will def see them if/when they come back
― holosystolic murmur and the thrill (gbx), Sunday, 20 September 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I probably booked them on that. Love the Bottle.
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 20 September 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
wow, really liking the arckanum so far. have only heard the split w/svartsyn. will have to dig deeper.
― original bgm, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link
that arckanum album is really, really great.
― original bgm, Monday, 28 September 2009 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link
agreed on wanting to hear a more polished WITTR record too. I'll concede that the guitars on black cascade may have been more memorable if they didn't sound so murky.
still haven't seen them live! want to but it just doesn't work out.
― original bgm, Monday, 28 September 2009 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link
ok its official i'm goin next sunday― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:04 PM (1 year ago)u down ilxor moniker man or― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:04 PM (1 year ago)
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:04 PM (1 year ago)
Figures I would just now see this, huh?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
dudes were killing it last night
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
excited to see them tonight. the new stuff is killer
― gman59, Monday, 12 September 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
this is my favorite BM band name. In fact it's up there for band names overall for me.
― owenf, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
saw them at a show at a punk house in an abandoned church a few days ago, didnt know it was just 2 guys playin guitars. they were good obv
― hank azari & iii (flopson), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
huh you must have seen an ad hoc lineup, usually there is a seriously raging drummer. I think him and the other founding guitarist are brothers?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
oh, there was a drummer
― hank azari & iii (flopson), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
haha. yeah I saw them the other night in new york with Thou and Krallice. all bands were good. THOU really surprised me. but Wolves were by far the best. such a great live show. they played the bell house and it sounded fucking amazing imo. I definitely recommend seeing them live. Yeah its 2 brothers and a raging drummer. And it was great.
― gman59, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
saw them last night. liked em but it was super, super hot and packed with sweaty people and found it a little hard to get in the right frame of mind.
new material sounded... a lot like the old material? I found it tough to distinguish since I'm not overly familiar with their back-catalog but it all seemed of a piece. but this was a live show and I'm looking forward to digesting the new material with a closer listen once the new album drops.
feel like these guys do the atmospheric BM thing very well, the drummer is def excellent and gives everything a nice sense of momentum, etc, etc. but if they could just throw in an honest to goodness RIFF once in a while, it would make a world of difference.
― original bgm, Thursday, 15 September 2011 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
they throw in a lot of new/different shit on the new one, although I suspect it's not terribly conducive to being played live and so maybe isn't emphasised much
― the wrong terry to fuckwit (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 15 September 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
oh, nice. early buzz definitely has excited for it!
― original bgm, Thursday, 15 September 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
hm so
i've been reading up on & watching docus about the cascadia free state blockade and the eco-defense movement in the cascadian mtns more generally, the ELF and Earth First and all that, and then i remembered that these guys are purportedly "cascadian black metal" so i thought i'd try Celestial Lineage since I hadn't really given them a listen since Two Hunters.
i ~get it~ now. like, i was into them before, but now that i've got a better sense of what the region is like, i can totally hear it in the music. i can put on "thuja magus imperium" and close my eyes and see those 400 year old trees with some dude sitting up on a branch watching the sun rise over the mountain amid the snowfall.
really an interesting window into the new record. almost makes me think of agalloch.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 2 March 2012 08:34 (twelve years ago) link
*cascade mountains
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 2 March 2012 08:35 (twelve years ago) link
you nailed it, part of why I like this band so much is because I am down with their philosophy and sense of place.
― fully formed adult banaka unit (sleeve), Friday, 2 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
also hoos if you have any questions abt Cascadia stuff or need free copies of Pickaxe or whatever you should message me on ILX.
― fully formed adult banaka unit (sleeve), Friday, 2 March 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
Thoughts on their new ambient-synth album? It doesn't seem that big a leap to me. Same chord progressions, different settings.
I like the drone and drag of it. But obviously not for everyone.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 10 July 2014 04:53 (nine years ago) link
(I guess "Sleeping Golden Storm" is a Leonard Cohen nod? Not musically that I can tell, but he'd probably sound good croaking over it.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 10 July 2014 05:08 (nine years ago) link
Really like the new one, but it's my first exposure to them, so i'm not very representative. great band name, though
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 10 July 2014 05:17 (nine years ago) link
Listening to it for the first time now. I'm curious how it sounds to someone who's never listened to Tangerine Dream's Zeit, or any of a bunch of other early 70s synth-prog albums that are the root of this sound. I feel like having steeped myself in that stuff for so many years now, I'm kind of incapable of judging this record on its own merits.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:00 (nine years ago) link
I've heard Tangerine Dream and I know that stuff is the explicit reference point for this album, but I am certainly not steeped in it. So I hear this album more in the context of WITTR, and it makes sense in that context too. Compositionally, it's not that much of a departure -- you could arrange the songs with walls of guitar and blast-beats, and it would sound a lot like other Wolves albums.
Anyway, I like it. I'd be interested to see how they incorporate it into live sets.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link
Celestite has taken me by surprise, there's some really magical parts in there.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 10:57 (eight years ago) link
I'm feeling emo tonight and "Cleansing" from Two Hunters is really soothing.......
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 03:49 (six years ago) link
I still feel like the most recent two are my favs tho. was a bit surprised at some of the lukewarm reaction to Thrice Woven as I feel like melodically speaking they really expanded their sound (at least on the opening track).
"Dia Artio" is such a great ambient track too.
I guess I really enjoy black metal centered around the Pacific Northwest wilderness as an omnipresent spirit. Like I think when American black metal sucked is when it tried too much to be Norwegian black metal instead of drawing on what made that work (the regional cultural infusion into the music).
feel like this shoulda been the soundtrack to The Revenant
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 03:54 (six years ago) link
no doubt, i've felt like I had ropes around my chest due to stress all day, and Celestial Lineage completely sucked it out.
I forgot how dense this album is.
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 July 2020 03:41 (three years ago) link
Ah, now Wolverhampton Wanderers makes sense.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 July 2020 07:59 (three years ago) link
Lol
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 July 2020 11:13 (three years ago) link
every time this thread hits SNA it takes me a moment
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 July 2020 11:14 (three years ago) link