Apple Music vs Spotify

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If the locally-originated files are not accessible via the search in spotify mobile, how do you get to them?

Corn on the macabre (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link

I have to play it through the playlist. You set up a playlist with local files on the desktop client, and the on the phone choose to make that playlist available offline on my phone and it downloads all of them.

brontosaur, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link

That's cool - no more iTunes!

schwantz, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link

Yeah but doesn't the desktop client see your desktop library via iTunes? I mean you can't just direct it to a nested folder structure can you?

Corn on the macabre (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link

I think you can drag the tracks from the finder into a spotify playlist..?

schwantz, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Oh really...? Even if it's on an external hd?

Corn on the macabre (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link

Probably stop working once you remove the drive.

schwantz, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link

spotify's local-files solution is a nice gesture but seems clunky when really we should just be able to dump those songs somewhere on the phone and play them. it sucks that people are having to do that because they can't get apple music/icloud music library to work properly.

i've just gone back to apple music to see what it's like. it's astounding that after five weeks apple hasn't fixed even the simpler bugs in the 8.4 music app ('add to my music' not taking, having to tap stuff in 'for you' twice sometimes, songs getting stuck on download). in service of this, at home i've created a duplicate itunes library* of 18,000-odd songs that's been syncing to icloud music library for 36 hours and it's only reporting ~15% of unmatched tracks uploaded. my collection isn't that unusual or massive so i've no idea what's going on there. perhaps that's normal idk.

meanwhile i've synced my original/intact itunes library to an older iphone so i can use it as a dumb ipod in case apple music deletes my offline songs/changes everything to bob dylan/falls on its arse in some new and fascinating way.

* i should not have to do this

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link

so i voted for spotify

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link

Has anyone spent 4 hours with Spotify customer service for any issues? Cuz that's been my day with Apple.

hardcore dilettante, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link

what happened?

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link

Ugh, mostly my fault for not understanding all the new technologiez. In the end it SEEMS to have all worked out. We'll see.

Signed up for Apple Music with the wrong Apple ID & couldn't get it to link to my family members, then tried to sign up for a trial with my regular Apple ID & it billed me immediately instead of signing me up for a trial. Time will tell if this has been rectified (apparently the reset can take up to a day).

hardcore dilettante, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 23:57 (eight years ago) link

So far, though, I think the interface kills Spotify's (which I find difficult to navigate).

hardcore dilettante, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link

Most say the opposite

Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

Unless there’s a fucking section that says ‘Noel Gallagher’s music collection’ then I won’t be listening to it.

somewhere, excitable emails are exchanged about curated content

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link

I don't have any of those issues with apple music, autumn; that is weird.

akm, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link

and, an album that i downloaded last night was not there this morning. and, when the music app's access to cellular data is turned off, songs keep pausing.

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 August 2015 22:15 (eight years ago) link

five weeks since launch. this should all have been fixed.

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 August 2015 22:16 (eight years ago) link

I think they're more focused on the 3 month mark.

Jeff, Thursday, 6 August 2015 22:24 (eight years ago) link

I really see no reason to fix them until a couple of weeks before people decide to pay.

Jeff, Thursday, 6 August 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link

true, unless people crack the shits and give up well before then

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 August 2015 23:12 (eight years ago) link

xpost
After everyone has given up and gone back to Spotify? I get your point, but these days I feel like Apple releases stuff with bugs, and then basically never fixes them. They have so many customers that either don't experience the bugs, or don't care about them, that they just consider everyone else to be edge cases and ignore them.

You have a non-apple WiFi router?
You have a phone/computer that's more than a couple of years old?
You have a large music collection?
You care about metadata?

Edge cases.

schwantz, Thursday, 6 August 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link

well this is true: "and, when the music app's access to cellular data is turned off, songs keep pausing"

unless the song is rightly saved to play offline.

akm, Thursday, 6 August 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link

it was

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 7 August 2015 02:43 (eight years ago) link

they can't even get icloud photo library working yet :(

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 August 2015 03:10 (eight years ago) link

Do Apple really have a history of not fixing things?

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 7 August 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link

with itunes they have a history of making things worse

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 August 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link

God, I hate itunes. But i cba trying anything else for my ipod as its too much hassle

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 7 August 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link

just got apple music to listen to dr. dre

man this shit is really fucking confusing w/it's integration w/the already fucked itunes

spotify is so much better than this

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 August 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link

yeah its a mess.

Spottie, Friday, 7 August 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link

Have to hope it gets better. I mean potentially it could be the gamechanger their touting it as but being sensitive to customer feedback and amenable to changing the ways in which people say your product sucks is pretty essential for a streaming service and with everything else they do Apple err on the side of prescriptive.

By some miracle the corrupted drive that my backed up music library was on decided to repair itself, so after 2.5 years in the wilderness I finally got my itunes back (give or take a dodgy itl file, 10,000 duplicates, missing album artwork, tracks and playlists).

Don't think I'll be touching any of the streaming/cloud/match features anytime soon but the idea of being able to marry the library I started building when I was 13 with a streaming service is always gonna be appealing and it never seemed to work out via spotify.

It held me down these past few years but it's always felt supplementary. The shittiness of Apple Music has renewed my appreciation but at this point I'm still looking for reasons to drop it.

tsrobodo, Friday, 7 August 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link

For those who never buy CD's/LP's etc what are your reasons for mostly streaming? What made you take that choice, was it simply its cheaper?

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 7 August 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link

Spotify.

convenience in every way xp. haven't paid for music outside of streaming within the last 2-3 years. thousands of CD's collecting dust under my bed.

Spottie, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:07 (eight years ago) link

But at least you will still have them to play if you need them what if the streaming service you use goes busts or bands pull their albums from it?

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link

I subscribe to spotify to check out new releases or albums i can never afford to buy (like all of the blue note catalog; if that was pulled I'd be offski)

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link

nah got em all ripped on hard drives and backed up. have absolutely zero reason to keep them. too lazy to try and sell them is all. Sound quality is my biggest issue but 320 rips are ok by me (with premium membership).

Spottie, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link

I don't see any point of buying a album I listen to on the streaming sites. It's a waste of my money. I'll end up listening to albums on the very same device I could be streaming it on. It's nice to have the art, and the warm fuzzies of throwing an extra bit of change towards a musician, but not $10+ nice.

brontosaur, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link

Attitudes to music, musicians, labels etc really have changed. I wonder what music will be like in a decade or 2. I really hope its not back to the days of only the rich making it.

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link

Attitudes to music, musicians, labels etc really have changed

I'm 34 and eh not sure i ever gave a thought to any of those things when I was spending loads of cash every year on music. bought all those CDs at the time cos that was the most convenient method to listen to new stuff. now the most convenient is streaming so I'm on board. its even way more convenient than pirating.

Spottie, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:29 (eight years ago) link

Btw my wife uses Google Music & it does everything Apple Music purports to do way better

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 August 2015 22:51 (eight years ago) link

I wonder what music will be like in a decade or 2. I really hope its not back to the days of only the rich making it.

― Cosmic Slop, Friday, August 7, 2015 10:22 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I dunno, man, it feels like it's kinda this way already. It's probably not, but it feels that way.

My attitude to music, musicians and labels hasn't really changed too much. I mean, it has, but only much as would be expected from being a teenager to being an adult. But economics is economics. If people want me to buy their albums don't put em on the streaming sites. I bought 1989 on CD. If I want to hear something enough and I can't stream it, I'll buy it. I'm not going to wring my hands about having access to thousands of albums at the press of a button for 10 bucks a month, that's not my fight.

brontosaur, Friday, 7 August 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link

I dunno, man, it feels like it's kinda this way already. It's probably not, but it feels that way.

― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican),

I know, it's heading that way and that worries me that we might be past the tipping point.

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 7 August 2015 23:39 (eight years ago) link

That is ridiculous. You can make an album for almost nothing these days. Unless by "rich" you mean having a day job.

schwantz, Saturday, 8 August 2015 00:53 (eight years ago) link

I really hope its not back to the days of only the rich making it.

when was this?

ogmor, Saturday, 8 August 2015 09:49 (eight years ago) link

of all the "artist ponders the effect of streaming" articles, this is my favorite, for acknowledging that music fans were saying GIMME GIMME GIMME long before the internet was around: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-morrison/hey-dude-from-cracker-im_b_1610557.html

i mean maybe you took great pride in being a financial patron of the arts in the 90s but imo "Attitudes to music, musicians, labels etc" haven't changed much at all. and its the labels saying GIMME GIMME GIMME that bear the greater responsibility to think of the ramifications

da croupier, Saturday, 8 August 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link

Entertaining and true...

glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 8 August 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link

Will Spotify ever be forced to go premium only?

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 9 August 2015 01:44 (eight years ago) link

Apple music.

Popture, Sunday, 9 August 2015 01:50 (eight years ago) link


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