Demi Lovato

if anything the last album was demi trying too hard vocally -- possibly to appeal to the "see she really CAN sing" crowd; she seems to have backed off since.

the copycat accusations seem off, especially since the song brought up most often is "domino," possibly the most blatant copycat pop single this decade

i think Katy Perry is what seems to be brought up most. that's what i keep hearing people say when they get into it about this song - that it sounds like katy perry. of course, a quick google search will reveal the same https://www.google.com/#q=was+katy+perry+offered+cool+for+the+summer

but those links seem to have mostly to do with the lyrics. i didn't even know the song was about kissing girls - or that there were 'accusations' RE: 'i kissed a girl.' i thought it was about a boy. the lyrics just didn't jump out me, except for the chorus. but i did immediately think it *sounded* like a Katy Perry song - only in terms of the sound, not the words. it was the first thing that popped into my head. i don't think it's hard to hear, and i don't think she adds much to the KP aesthetic.

That processed electrogrind is what reminded me Perry; the lyrics were secondary.

I was really hoping the Todd Terry remix would be amazing as his remix of Hercules & Love Affair's "Do You Feel The Same" is one of my favourite things of the year, but this is merely functional.

thanks for reminding me that this mix of the HC&LA track exits, Tim

luv demi a lot but more as a person than an artist, i know i'm buying into a lot of capitalist machinery but she seems lovely + after rehab has really dedicated herself to being a posi force for young people, hard for me to not be in her corner

i probably love really don't care more but cool for the summer sounds so good on the radio. it hits every 2015-radio-hit marker and then fills out the rest with surprises. and yeah, she's probably a better singer when she isn't so focused on being a singer

well browsing this thread about a song i listened to for 30 secs and thought 'not for me' has at least made me aware of the existence of todd terry in 2015.

i got to work with Demi for an hour or two last year when she was giving a speech about some of the stuff she's been through. she seemed pretty cool! i kept it professional, but i want to tell her i listen to all her albums and have some demos for her to check out.

i don't get the "domino" comparison. like yeah i get that rhythmically and kinda-melodically the chorus lines are a bit similar, but by that logic the chorus to "teenage dream" is comparable to that of kesha's "blah blah blah". i have seen a few people make the comparison but i always forget about it until i see someone mention it again.

anyways the other thing for me that sets this apart from "i kissed a girl" is that the latter's whole winky look-at-me-aren't-i-subversive thing is basically aimed directly at the boyfriend who almost definitely doesn't mind it. in "cool for the summer" demi and her fling are in their own little world, other ppl barely-mentioned only as some ominous forces on the horizon ("don't tell your mother", "if they judge..."). there's of a sense of danger in the way it builds sonically, but the way it leads to such a cathartic release makes it feel more like she's more afraid of what they could do to each other than judgment/"your mother". lol

basically what i am trying to say is yes i've heard this on the radio a few times now and i'm afraid it has me hooked

(also the music vid is not bad by any means but i feel like this song could have had a truly classic video made for it)

I would love for a hot male pop star to release a single about a summer bromance.

ugh ^^yes

that might have been my destiny like 10 years ago except i probably would have needed a significant nose job

Years & Years kind of did in England ("Shine").

I wouldn't call Ollie "hot" but to each their own.

ok important update: i just to a good friend and colleague who is head over feels for Katy Perry, and loves this song. she agrees it's a rip off KP but it's all she listens to. this news might prompt me to give it a 4th listen.

hah head over feels

lol i really need to watch my grammar

"head over feels" is a great description. It is now officially entered into my vocabulary.

Katy and Demi released their first hit albums the same summer and have been mining the same basic post-Kelly Clarkson aesthetic ever since. only time Demi really went too far outside her comfort zone was the clubby Timbaland stuff on the 3rd album imo.

xp i'm so glad!

I tend to choose head over feels too iirc.

"shine" isn't explicitly or even implicitly gay enough to qualify i think xp, this is like saying sam smith has been releasing singles about gay flings just b/c you can catch like half a second of an arm that looks male in the music video for "stay with me"

Also I specifically mean a straight male pop star doing a song that's like "don't tell your mother but let's have bro-jobs all summer".

so hot

Tim's last few posts so otm obv. Whether the male pop star who goes there is actually gay and out is not the point?

What I love about the "bicurious" perspective of this song is that it's not, at least not for the narrator. Demi doesn't self define as bi afaik but there's no uncertainty about what the narrator wants; she comes across as someone who's probably seduced straight girls before even though she may not be out?

Like, it's not sexuality performed for anyone's gaze as Katherine pointed out. It's not straight girls dabbling in something they're not. It's not flirtation across a sexuality divide. It's something in between, it's very fluid.

I mean these are only thoughts I had after I listened to it 17 times in a rowbin a coach crossing slovenia yday, musically it's so obv the pop single of the year. Tyyyyyyype, monotony otm

i wouldn't be surprised if nick jonas takes up that task lol (xp to tim)

Ha I was thinking of him too. He really should given how much he's gone after the gay audience

i hope Nick is working on Demi's new album. he wrote so many of the best songs on her first album, and was the musical director on her last tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYDDiqhhzbQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_cXhBy78T4

kinda two takes on the same structure, both among either act's very best songs

"cool for the summer" is so fucking incredible

i can't tell why but the video for Cool for the Summer really rubs me the wrong way

The video is an embarrassment of embarrassments. Song deserves better.

Could have been just her and someone driving around the city at night, or sitting in a hotel lobby, both would have been better.

given the subject matter it could have been a lot worse

The fading "too"s and "you"s at the end of lines in the verses sounded like a familiar device, but I couldn't quite put a finger on it. Then I realized it's a total Gregg Alexander/Danielle Brisebois/New Radicals thing. Automatically makes me like it 25% more.

omg i am going to listen to Skyscraper now

the other day i heard another one from that album i think, pure Broadway beauty

broadway baby must be the name of a song somewhere btw

uh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3OEXQ8BR58

thank you!

np, just surprise someone could know the phrase "broadway baby" and not immediately follow it up in one's mind with "...walking off my tired feet"

you'd be surprised by all the things i don't know tbh.

it's kind of upsetting that i prolly wdn't be able to sing a single Demi Lovato song at karaoke, she's just not quite in my range

Presented without comment.

a teensy comment might help me have an inkling of what the hell this is

Demi Lovato Admits Love For Those Mug Cupcakes People Periodically Claim Are Good Online

Oh wow. I shouldn't be laughing this loudly at 12am, but WOW @ her response!

Typical media "gotcha" question. Would it have been so hard to say "food"?

i really like "confident"

Cool For The Summer and Confident are great singles but this album is a real slog.

yeah both this and the selena gomez album were big disappointments. brilliant lead singles, was ready for them to step up and make some really interesting pop albums...instead we get generic, bland titles and incoherent singles-plus-filler

terrifying

This may be the first high-profile naloxone success story - this opioid/opiate antagonist likely saved Demi's life yesterday, and had it been administered in time could have saved Prince and Petty too. It's becoming much easier and cheaper to obtain this emergency drug. If anyone you know is an recreational heroin, fentanyl, or other opioid user, or a pain sufferer using high doses of these drugs including hydrocodone, oxycodone, Dilauded, or similar meds, be sure they and anyone often at home with them has some naloxone and knows how to use it. Some types can only be administered by another person, not the one barely breathing due to an opioid overdose.

wow that's very interesting and good to know, thanks.

I've got a friend living in an Oxford House (which is a sober/halfway house) and they have two boxes of intranasal naloxone on the kitchen counter. every resident of the house receives instruction on how to administer.

It's imperative to get this into the hands of every addict and friends if addicts. Unthinkable how many lives could and should have been saved just in the past few years.

Heard her version of Let It Go while out and about today and got really bummed out. Hope she's doing well.

funnily enough I heard Cool For The Summer in a bar tonight and it really leapt out at me and made me feel sad about what's happening to her. It's such a great song - her delivery and focus and energy is probably unrivalled in pop right now for me

it blows my mind that at ten years old she was in Barney and was releasing albums in her mid teens - it's like, how do you reconcile that kind of fame and pressure with being adolescent?

By taking smack

nice, only 13 hours to come up w/ that one

don the real article