HANNIBAL on NBC seems amazing and therefore deserves it's own thread!

He was very funny in Silicon Valley

found this week's a bit boring tbh

Red Draggin'

honestly this whole back half has been pretty meh to me after the insanity of the European half. I guess it doesn't help that I just don't find Dolarhyde that interesting, at least in this incarnation. And the flashbacks seem really pointless - answering questions I didn't really care for getting the answers to.

it just makes me want to watch Red Dragon again. the sets/staging of the dolarhyde stuff is very similar. they even got a guy that looks like ralph fiennes' stunt double to play him.

i think i'm that movie's biggest fan. so watchable! a ridiculously overqualified cast having fun in total trash, like The Paperboy but not boring.

nah rewatch Manhunter

red dragon is shockingly ok for a brett ratner movie, like it lacks all the things that make his movies awful w the exception of a few dumbing-down moments (the "sweetbreads" note that hannibal would never put in a book in the opening scene), cast is solid, even the blatant padding of hannibal's role in the story ain't bad

like I almost wonder if it was ghost-directed somehow

that said manhunter is obv a better movie just not as in sync with the hannibal canon such as it is

I like how this is going.

I forgot how freaky it is that the dude ate the painting. He ate it up! Also I remain weirded out by Bedelia.

I miss Alana's dresses.

Yeah, but her new hair style, though.

Also she looks pretty fabulous in pant suits.

it's a travesty how much they've thrown this away. 10pm on saturday with no advertising or even next week previews.

confession: i got 5+ episodes behind & gave up

every episode I watched this season made me feel like i had suffered a head injury, i couldn't follow what was happening :(

i will circle back eventually

The second half of the season is completely different from the first, fwiw. Much more straightforward. (I vastly prefer the first half but I seem to be in the minority on this.)

oh no i totally agree with that.

this half is fun though

I have def seen a lot of people relieved to get the "old" Hannibal back after the "pretentious/artsy" first half which I find insane. Way more into the Lynch/Greenaway/del Toro hybrid nightmare factory. I am v curious to see where these last two eps go, though.

batshit pt. 1 and well-executed less batshit pt. 2 are both great in their own ways, first half was way more an ambitious high-wire act. I feel less urgency with this 2nd half, like I was taking the time to watch the first half episodes right when they aired whereas now I catch up days after the fact

I can definitely enjoy pt. 2 but it's a pretty, graceful version of a familiar set of ideas/relationships, whereas throughout pt. 1 I was constantly marveling at the fact that it was produced and aired at all

dolarhyde in the graham's house was really excellent. great suspense setpiece. although it's one of the few times that i wish the show didn't have so much score.

It was! I actually had to turn it off because I was watching it at night alone and it was giving me the jim jams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWw2drwzaes

Oh, Chilton.

https://twitter.com/GillianA/status/637730302824026113

sez 'make sure to watch past the credits'

this is still airing mid-week in canada or something and i've been cheating and downloading it

can't wait for you guys to catch up

I cheated because it was pre-empted by football and there was no indication anywhere if and when they were going to air it.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/29/everything-hannibal-wore-hannibal

I totally forgot Siouxsie was going to be involved.

That finale really underlined for me that 3A was sort of an insane masterpiece and 3B was an excessively fan-service-y OK thing.

moving the Murder Husbands stuff from subtext to text cost the show a lot (for me anyway)

I believe they call it... a mic drop.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/hannibal-redefined-how-we-tell-stories-on-tv.html

that is a tremendous seitz piece

finally watched the finale. as an end to everything - which we can only assume it is at this point - it was maybe a little less than i'd hoped for but as close to a final chapter as was possible.

*to a proper final chapter

if it has to end, I'd rather it do so with Hannibal being out in the world being possible

yeah agreed

are we to assume, btw, at the very end that bedelia cut off her own leg to attract hannibal, or that this is way later, and he got out and did it and is about to dine on that shit? guessing the former, and honestly that's the considerably more fucked up possibility so i dig it

whaaat

no, obviously it's meant to be later and he's tracked her down and prepared her leg for dinner

aw man

i mean, yeah, hannibal doing it is the most logical conclusion, given what happens to gideon in the first episode of s3, i just figured my alternate was possible given how bazonkers the show is, and given that will has attempted to lure hannibal to him in various ways i figured that could be a super grand guignol version of that? idk

I don't think she really wanted to lure Hannibal in? She did disapprove of Will's plan in that she suspected Hannibal would somehow escape and make it out in the world, which meant he'd come for her eventually. She doesn't actually want to die.

yeah, i had a very different take on that
that she had internalized hannibal as old testament divine retribution for her own evil and had prepared her own leg as a peace offering and a show of like minded faith in exchange for her life but he's gone and she doesn't know it
so she's waiting forever at the table, driven mad out of fear and guilt and hannibal's reach extends beyond his (presumed) death
a "no happy endings" balance for offing hannibal and will after the menage a trois

good take

really, it's more existential if the show never returns, if it does, it's literal and a sign of life after the cliff tumble

so she's waiting forever at the table, driven mad out of fear and guilt and hannibal's reach extends beyond his (presumed) death

this is a fascinating thought! much more considered than my take

xp well the slow pan over the cliff to reveal... nothing... gives them a safe out if they ever find someone willing to give the cast/creatives the money to pick back up the pieces and reset

if they DID continue, i could see bedelia having copped to being lecter's accomplice and living a one legged life in the same asylum for the criminally insane as hannibal and maybe channeling his ghost?

there was noise that the next step for a future season was to remake silence of the lambsbut that NBC didn't want to foot the bill for rights for Starling? given that the second half of S3 was a reshoot (in some cases verbatim!) of red dragon that imo greatly improved it, i wouldn't mind if they ultimately landed there on Starz or Vimeo in three years. basically all would be forgiven no matter how they reboot if I get more of this level of auteuristic, campy, genius/batshittery.

quick look around online suggests that my read is not supported by Fuller though:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/hannibal-finale-season-4-movie-revival-ending-spoilers-1201581424/

And yet it still feels like a little bit of a surprise at the end. [The post-credits scene with Bedelia] was very intentionally setting up another season of the story … essentially saying that Hannibal could’ve survived.

that the show was surreal and meaty enough to reasonably support such drastically different takes is part of what made it special

That finale really underlined for me that 3A was sort of an insane masterpiece and 3B was an excessively fan-service-y OK thing.

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:46 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean...it was closer to a straight adaptation of the original source material than the rest of the series but i don't recall any wish fulfillment twists or meta winks to the camera that would qualify it as 'fan service.'

the show played with the viewer's head about whether someone was dead or alive with, what, 3 or 4 major characters? the ambiguity of the ending is totally part of the show's M.O.

i forget exactly why they couldnt do clarice starling and basically subbed in miriam lass for her as a tangential character. i think it has something to do w/ the studio behind SOTL (orion) having folded and been absorbed by MGM, which is not exactly known as generous with its intellectual property, and it has the rights to the character in a way that harris, as the author, apparently does not.

(xps forks)

Fuller said pretty recently that if they did later seasons without getting rights to the Silence story, they'd find some way to get around it with a 'Shmarice Shmarling' stand-in character...i never got the sense that it would be Miriam, although i guess there are enough things shared by those characters that it could work.

well here's Fuller again from that (very very recent) Variety piece about one of the directions he wanted to go

Hannibal also made Alana (Caroline Dhavernas) a fairly ominous promise about her future, leading her to take Margot (Katharine Isabelle) and their son and get the hell out of dodge, proving she’s pretty much the only sensible person on the show. Did you foresee Hannibal keeping that promise in season four, or for Alana and Margot to live happily ever after?

It certainly was going to be a part of season four, and I actually was really excited about exploring the Margot/Alana relationship and how they were going to dismantle all of the Verger slaughterhouses and turn them humane. She was going to completely undo the evils of her family with Alana, like a Joan Crawford sitting at PepsiCo’s table saying “don’t f–k with me, fellas.” I was really excited about that story for Alana and Margot and seeing more of them, and also seeing what it would be like for them to realize that Hannibal might be coming back into their orbit.

xp oh, i dont think it'd be her, i figure she's locked up for trying to blow dr. chilton's brains out in s2