If all the albums Spotify became little samplers, I'd stop using it. I like albums.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
again, people who wanna hear the hits would still be able to. you would just have two ways of making money off the back catalog - streaming for the hits, sales for the deep cuts, rather than one
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
I guess. Pretty customer-unfriendly, though.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
and totally hypothetical
― sleeve, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
yeah see when people say getting four songs off every album ever for 10 bucks a month, where you'd only have to buy deep cuts, is "customer-unfriendly," that doesn't dissuade me from seeing the argument as "solipsistic-to-sociopathic"
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
I would cancel my subscription and click 'Forgot My Password' on What.CD
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link
Happily paying 10 bucks a month forever for music doesn't seem sociopathic to me.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link
Are people who use the library sociopaths?
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link
no, why would you think that
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
have you been to a library lately?
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
hahahaha
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
Freely reading/listening to/watching to stuff they didn't pay for like they deserve it.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
open goal
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
i support libraries because they're a glimmer of socialism but guess what google play isn't
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link
Hey, if artists want to window their music, and pull things on and off streaming services and whatever to maximize their revenue, they are free to do it. Doesn't mean it's not annoying, and that it might ultimately hurt them (and everyone) by turning people off to paying for music again.
And yeah, if it were up to me, seems like it would make more sense to just tax everyone some nominal amount and have digital libraries with everything available to all citizens, but then socialism.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
in a void, its not the belief that one has a right to experience creative works that's solipsistic-to-sociopathic. it's the arguments for why avoiding putting all your music on streaming is a bad thing for artists to do.
nothing about the sales of albums held from streaming suggest this is what happens
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
I'm more saying that if Spotify became basically whatever is on the radio, I wouldn't pay for it.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
well from the beginning i said artists should give streaming what they would GIVE the radio, not that spotify should only have what is ON the radio
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
There have been tons of models showing (many detailed in this thread) that if streaming services can get a decent number of paying customers (at $10/month),l there will be plenty of money to go around
Except there is never enough money to go around when some parties want moooooooooooooore.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
one big difference between industries that's part of the huge difference between netflix and spotify is film/tv has pretty effective unions for actors and writers while musicians' unions aren't nearly as common (in pop at least) or powerful, way more open shop in practice (i mean gang of four crossed picket lines). key exception of music industry where unions are a force is w/ classical music which is making me wonder now if that's why so many classical recordings are difficult to find on spotify or only get released hella later or disappear after a month or so. the artists that have pulled their stuff or only allowed their stuff to stream after a while (the big catalog guys - zep, floyd, ac/dc, eagles)(saw a 'best of apple records (non-beatles)' that came out years ago but was hyped as a new release made me wonder if spotify could somehow get that holy grail) have generally been big artists making leverage plays, their may be lip service to 'artists deserve to be rewarded' but really they've meant 'fuck you pay me', the only exception to this has kinda been taylor swift and even then it was just 'dear apple plz pay something anything'.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
i really wanna know if badfinger genuinely doesn't want their shit on spotify or if they're just held hostage by paul'n'yoko
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
or rather the badfinger estate
When blank cassettes (and CDs?) were first introduced, wasn't there some sort of tax rolled into their price to counter piracy/copy losses? In theory, given that the internet is overwhelmingly copyrighted material being viewed for free (not just downloading music/movies), they could just slap a buck or two onto internet service bills, and that would make a ton of money. But then there's the problem of moooooooore. How can you share the revenue generated from such a seemingly equitable solution when some think (justifiably or not) that they deserve more, or generate more, or more more more mine mine mine. I wish there were some sort of one-stop shop for streaming. I'd pay more for that. But no one wants to give up any share of the potential pie, no matter how small the slivers are getting.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
also w/ classical profits from recordings really kinda are an ancillary benefit, it's not the main gig and maybe never was? (even when classical had a larger presence in the popular sphere it meant more 'toscanini gets a huge contract from nbc radio') anna netrebko would feel it if her money from recordings went away for sure but i can't imagine it aproaches what she gets from performing.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
xpost There's that, and then there's the American thing of "I'm not paying to support a bunch of artists that I don't personally listen to!"
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
even though the big boys are def just holding out for what's theirs rather than what's everybodys, i'm glad they're doing it so that maybe little people will realize it's fucked. some say my fantasy of people only putting promotional tracks on spotify would be a dealbreaker for the service and artist but tell that to the beygency
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
lol croup after i posted that i thought 'wait..so is badfinger...' and the answer is still kinda no, they're not really on there BUT there is a comp that has the big apple corps hits (finally a non-re-recorded 'no matter what'!) on there that wasn't there the last time i checked (which wasn't super recently but was more recently than 2010, when that comp came out). the first james taylor album is on spotify now which wasn't there before.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
"I'm not paying to support a bunch of artists that I don't personally listen to!"
Well, ads used to take care of this, across the board. We paid with our ears and eyeballs. But now that we have (or were given, or stole) greater choice and freedom, we also have ways to avoid the ads. Which is what single-handedly has wrecked havoc across all number of mediums (radio, TV, newspapers).
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
xpost oooh didn't know they finally got a (non-re-recorded) comp up
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
despite my antipathy towards streaming in theory i am a big fan of "oh apparently whoever has the rights to the Giant Records catalog coughed Tara Kemp up" moments
latest and greatest was the belated arrival of "Return Of The Mack"
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
but then as i said, it's only the mark morrison album tracks that should be withheld
Not bummed about destroying the advertising model. Cuz I AM A SOCIOPATH!
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
i remember when that tidal ad came out thinking 'what gets me to sign up is paul and yoko walking thru that door w/ robert fripp and bob segar'.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
otmfm
schwantz if you take from me saying a stance was "solipsistic-to-sociopathic" that i'm saying a group of people are sociopaths...not my intent, and i apologize if i invoked the new godwin's law or something
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
I don't really see how this Beatles material is such a big deal according to just about every article/opinion I read about it - a boomer band who, fifty years ago, recorded a mere five great albums shouldn't in any way be relevant to the livelihood of thousands of musicians today and for the next decades. I mean, if you like em, just fucking steal those red and blue albums and then enjoy the millions of other song that *are* out there on whatever service you sign up for.
― Siegbran, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
which five
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
Nevermind, OU812, The Chronic, Trout Mask Replica and Saturday Night Fever
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 July 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
wtf how could you list the five greatest beatles albums and leave out sgt pepper u mad
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
I don't really see how this Beatles material is such a big deal http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bazald/l/tutorial/zenitank/boom.png according to just about every article/opinion I read about it - a boomer band https://www.facebook.com/PaulOrselliWorkshop?ref=nf who, fifty years ago, recorded a mere five great albums https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3531249963/96346c0ee3449c2eddea7920e705a6af_bigger.jpeg shouldn't in any way be relevant to the livelihood of thousands of musicians today and for the next decades. I mean, if you like em, just fucking steal those red and blue albums and then enjoy the millions of other song that *are* out there on whatever service you sign up for.
http://www.ringophone.com/HDcolorWP/atomic-explosion_.jpg― Siegbran, Friday, July 31, 2015 2:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
WREAKED havoc, jfc
― sleeve, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
anyone who wants Spotify URLs to open in the desktop app ...
glenn advised to just click "Play in Spotify" but I never saw that option, it just opened the player. Figured it out: open a Spotify URL. Click the settings gear in the Spotify webapp, look for a setting like "Open Spotify URLs in desktop app". Confusingly, it will have a checkmark, but if the checkmark is gray it's not enabled. Click it so it's green. Next time I opened a Spotify URL it gave me the option to Play in Spotify before it opened the web player.
― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Friday, 31 July 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link
will try that! Thanks!
― Cosmic Slop, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
Well I was going to write them down as an overhyped Skiffle combo from Hamburg but that would be a bit harsh. They did come up some quality tunes over the years and i am the walrus.
― Siegbran, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
step back everyone, siegbran of internet has something to say about the beatles, and it may shock you
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:06 (eight years ago) link
trigger warning, beatles fans
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link
I'm fine with the Beatles and you might've missed the hyperbole here but in all seriousness, why the Beatles catalogue is brought up in so many articles as some sort of big (psychological?) barrier to success for online music services is baffling to me.
― Siegbran, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
because the Beatles are the baseline measure of what music people want to have available
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
It might have something to do with them being the biggest selling artist of all time.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link
they lack the cool factor of your favorite black metal bands, admittedly, but popularity counts for something too
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link