You guys read Cleolinda's recaps on this show, right? She gets way deep into the symbolism, etc. They are so good. She had to stop halfway through last season, but has picked up this one and has the first two up. http://cleolinda.livejournal.com/
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
xps re equations they are him trying do determine a way, through like, astrophysics and other absurdly complicated math, for his dead sister mischa to come back to life in the world. its explicitly stated in the hannibal novel (along with the details of how mischa died and was eaten) and alluded to in much more subtle fashion here
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
if I really like this series should I read the books, and in what order?
― Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:10 (eight years ago) link
red dragon and silence of the lambs are solid, and you could really read them in any order.
hannibal is...ok for the most part, but it doubles down on the overwrought prose that is always a thomas harris issue and after the climax at the verger estate, which proceeds much as it does in the show but w/ clarice starling, it has a really perverse resolution that really makes zero sense.
as for hannibal rising, don't even try. its so blatantly a boat payment book and i didnt finish it
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
haven't read any of them but my understanding is silence's success as a film kinda warped harris as a writer and that only red dragon and silence of the lambs are worth reading but that they are very much worth reading
― balls, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
like he's a great plotter, comes up with intriguing villains that have tastes in art/music prob very similar to harris's own, and clarice starling is a justly iconic character even just as her book self (in silence, at least), but in addition to his prose problems he also can't write dialogue for shit unless it comes out of lecter's mouth
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
xp thats basically accurate. he sold movie rights to both hannibal and hannibal rising before either manuscript was even close to finished and doesnt seem to give much of a shit about writing
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
Agree re: Red Dragon, which I read recently because of this series and enjoyed. I read Silence of the Lambs in college and it scared the bejesus out of me, even though I'd already seen and developed a deep and abiding love of the movie at that point.
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
yeah the first i heard of him was all my fellow stephen king fan friends telling me i had to read it, it was the scariest thing they've ever read, and me being all 'i don't read stephen king anymore, i only read KAFKA now'
― balls, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link
i got the impression that the italian cop left his posse to take care of jack while he contacted verger's people, and he probably delivered the "got hannibal and graham, crawford is dead" message not knowing his lieutenants were killed.
but--verger talks as if unaware that it was his mook and not hannibal that (didn't) kill jack
i read a couple of those livejournal recaps someone linked to and man, huh, people sure put a lot of effort into watching television these days
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:03 (eight years ago) link
bookwise i think red dragon is p bad -- does a poor job of handling dolarhyde's vaguely dis-associative / schizophrenic issues in a way that feels like i've seen/read it a million times -- though i think reading it in like 2014 probably influenced that, i think at the time it was maybe more novel
silence of the lambs is fantastic though
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:06 (eight years ago) link
one narrow question, one broad one:
i. why was chiyoh standing there with the gun at the end of the episode, other than to make her more of a mysterious unknowable extra factor? whom might she have shot? ii. does hannibal (the version in the show) have an ethics?
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:07 (eight years ago) link
just got caught up on the last two eps, this show is so funny and fun and perversewhen they cut to a toyota ad it's just so jarring
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 25 July 2015 03:40 (eight years ago) link
The first time we see Margot we also see... the eel!!!
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 25 July 2015 23:41 (eight years ago) link
I notice that Will holds his fork and knife English/European style rather than American style.
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 25 July 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link
i mean, hugh dancy is english, right
man i do not like will's family much
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 26 July 2015 07:18 (eight years ago) link
oh well, 50/50 they're dead by the end
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 26 July 2015 07:19 (eight years ago) link
that was sort of a letdown, much as i enjoyed the 'three years later' title card
was hoping for a nonsensical 'we have got to stop meeting like this' at the end, tbh
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 26 July 2015 07:38 (eight years ago) link
yeah this was a really beautifully executed version of a much less interesting version of this show, I miss the complete batshitness of the first half already, though I'm sure there's great stuff to come
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 26 July 2015 08:02 (eight years ago) link
agree w/that. this is back to the semi-procedural format of the first season, almost, though still weirder in style than those early episodes. and the guy playing dolarhyde is really good.
― extremely lag∞n postings voice (slothroprhymes), Sunday, 26 July 2015 22:59 (eight years ago) link
I am glad Scott Thompson is back
― Upright Mammal (mh), Sunday, 26 July 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link
Scott Thompson funny but terrible wooden actor. I'm glad they're in "Red Dragon"-land now :)
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 27 July 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
I'm watching some of the season 2 commentary, and the social worker in the horse is also the voice of Mickey Mouse???
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 02:18 (eight years ago) link
hahaha what
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 30 July 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0224565/?ref_=tt_cl_t9
― tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 2 August 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
He was very funny in Silicon Valley
― latebloomer, Sunday, 2 August 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
found this week's a bit boring tbh
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 2 August 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
Red Draggin'
― slam dunk, Sunday, 9 August 2015 04:27 (eight years ago) link
honestly this whole back half has been pretty meh to me after the insanity of the European half. I guess it doesn't help that I just don't find Dolarhyde that interesting, at least in this incarnation. And the flashbacks seem really pointless - answering questions I didn't really care for getting the answers to.
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 9 August 2015 05:17 (eight years ago) link
it just makes me want to watch Red Dragon again. the sets/staging of the dolarhyde stuff is very similar. they even got a guy that looks like ralph fiennes' stunt double to play him.
i think i'm that movie's biggest fan. so watchable! a ridiculously overqualified cast having fun in total trash, like The Paperboy but not boring.
― slam dunk, Monday, 10 August 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link
nah rewatch Manhunter
― Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 10 August 2015 00:33 (eight years ago) link
red dragon is shockingly ok for a brett ratner movie, like it lacks all the things that make his movies awful w the exception of a few dumbing-down moments (the "sweetbreads" note that hannibal would never put in a book in the opening scene), cast is solid, even the blatant padding of hannibal's role in the story ain't bad
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 10 August 2015 01:05 (eight years ago) link
like I almost wonder if it was ghost-directed somehow
that said manhunter is obv a better movie just not as in sync with the hannibal canon such as it is
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 10 August 2015 01:06 (eight years ago) link
I like how this is going.
I forgot how freaky it is that the dude ate the painting. He ate it up! Also I remain weirded out by Bedelia.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link
I miss Alana's dresses.
― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:26 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, but her new hair style, though.
Also she looks pretty fabulous in pant suits.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:28 (eight years ago) link
it's a travesty how much they've thrown this away. 10pm on saturday with no advertising or even next week previews.
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:49 (eight years ago) link
confession: i got 5+ episodes behind & gave up
every episode I watched this season made me feel like i had suffered a head injury, i couldn't follow what was happening :(
i will circle back eventually
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:11 (eight years ago) link
The second half of the season is completely different from the first, fwiw. Much more straightforward. (I vastly prefer the first half but I seem to be in the minority on this.)
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:13 (eight years ago) link
oh no i totally agree with that.
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:25 (eight years ago) link
this half is fun though
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:26 (eight years ago) link
I have def seen a lot of people relieved to get the "old" Hannibal back after the "pretentious/artsy" first half which I find insane. Way more into the Lynch/Greenaway/del Toro hybrid nightmare factory. I am v curious to see where these last two eps go, though.
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:32 (eight years ago) link
batshit pt. 1 and well-executed less batshit pt. 2 are both great in their own ways, first half was way more an ambitious high-wire act. I feel less urgency with this 2nd half, like I was taking the time to watch the first half episodes right when they aired whereas now I catch up days after the fact
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:46 (eight years ago) link
I can definitely enjoy pt. 2 but it's a pretty, graceful version of a familiar set of ideas/relationships, whereas throughout pt. 1 I was constantly marveling at the fact that it was produced and aired at all
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 05:18 (eight years ago) link
dolarhyde in the graham's house was really excellent. great suspense setpiece. although it's one of the few times that i wish the show didn't have so much score.
― slam dunk, Thursday, 20 August 2015 02:49 (eight years ago) link
It was! I actually had to turn it off because I was watching it at night alone and it was giving me the jim jams.
― carl agatha, Thursday, 20 August 2015 03:09 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWw2drwzaes
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 August 2015 03:29 (eight years ago) link
Oh, Chilton.
― tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 23 August 2015 03:02 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/GillianA/status/637730302824026113
sez 'make sure to watch past the credits'
― j., Saturday, 29 August 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
this is still airing mid-week in canada or something and i've been cheating and downloading it
can't wait for you guys to catch up
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 29 August 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link