here's a vape thread for everyone to talk about vapitos shit because nobody else cares

2 weeks is standard? how much liquid do you go through?

they told me that one coil should last about 30mg worth of fluid which for me is like... well more than a couple weeks anyway. i think i am on my third coil and i got mine months ago.

Prob about 2ml a day? They said one coil should last 30 ml? :(

I don't think the one now is burnt out but it's spitting and flooding. What can cause that?

the first thing you need to do is ditch this battery. it sounds like one i had when i first got into all this and it's good as a tester, to work out if you're into all this, but man, blow £25-30 on a a proper battery and end all this heartache and pain.

best one to get: istick 30w. you want to be at 15w or below with a tank using a 1.8ohm coil, but it also means you can give sub ohm a go at some point as it can go up to 30w. if you want to save a few quid get the istick 20w but i'd say it's better to get the other one.

i didn't even know you could buy non variable wattage/voltage batteries any more, really can't imagine the modern range of tanks and coils are suited for those fixed strength batteries. (if you can give me the brand name and model though i'd like to read up on them more)

http://www.ego-two.com/ego-ii-2200mah.html

is one of them?

istick 30w is exactly what i have and it's fantastic. i keep it around 10-11w, up to 13-14w if i'm feeling sassy and/or drunk, down to like 8 when starting a new coil or w/e

also wow i fucked up mg and ml, and i am canadian too :/ its an embarrassing day to be me

it also seems to me like the coils last longer if (a) you use a less crazy juice (something clear seems good) and (b) you properly start the coil (let it soak for a while, and then start using it at the lowest voltage possible) and (c) you don't go too high with the v's in general

ah the one you recommended is one of those big box things! I already feel ridiculous and clunky as is!

it's not as big as it looks. i used to have that starter pack everyone has, when that thing bit the dust i got the istick + a nautilus mini. it's actually /shorter/ than the starter kit, the battery can be completely concealed in my hand, and the tank part is pretty low-profile... i should take a picture at lunch or something it explain this better

That would be awesome if you could. Though I just found this snazzy young man in his delightful choker and i think I'm getting the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0KHwVNGx4w

omg he's wearing the smaller starter one around his neck on a cord

These can really be kinda discreet cause I'm so frustrated I'm actually considering it.

will's bang on here, especially about the coils - make sure you let them soak in the fluid for a while before using. don't avoid dark/thick fluids though, they're some of the best ones! istick and mini nautlius is what i recommend to everyone, it's pretty much the best you can get and at a decent price.

but yeah the aesthetic of the decent ecig batteries is pretty shit, that's just how it is at the moment. don't put up with a crappy model though just for that reason. they need to be big to have a decent (actual +/-) battery inside.

i've only ever had one battery that looked in any way good, I'll take a photo and upload later.

i do occasionally use these things in public and not having something ostentatious/even visible is important to me so i had my doubts about this istick but it is really not big at all. looks like this.

http://i.imgur.com/OHadcoy.jpg

It just seems so . . . vapey.

I know you're right tho and I'm so annoyed at this point that I might as well just do it. Shit I should probably just suck it up be out and proud and get the pink one so that I can bedazzle it and get some fancy ass coordinated drip tip to go with it.

I use a mvp2 + iclear 30 at home, but at work/when I'm out have a little stick one - kanger evod + aerotank mini. It feels less vapey & more portable. Felt like total clown with box mod and big tank, but it is much nicer.

I don't really understand voltage and wattage. Are they independent (I always think that one should affect the other - how come can I adjust them separately? nb I am useless at physics and electrics) and what effects do they have? My baseline is roughly voltage at double-the-coil-resistance but I play around a bit arbitrarily. Sometimes there's more kick when it's higher, but then I feel like something's about to burn.

I change my coil about every two weeks fwiw

I feel like I must be doing something wrong that my coils keep getting so fucked but I really don't think I am. I promise I'm not a moron. :/

woof, voltage and wattage are related, but it all depends on the resistance (the ohms) of the coil. it's hard to explain without getting techy and boring, but i always ignore voltage and focus solely on wattage. 1.8ohm coil, 15w and below. 1ohm coil 20w (ish) and below, 0.5 ohm coil 30w and below, 0.3 ohm coil skys the limit, well, 100w approx.

enbb, it is puzzling what's going wrong with your coils. it's not worth focusing on it though, just buy a new battery and the mini nautilus if you can and all your problems will disappear. as for feeling too embarrassed to walk round with one, i used to be like that but really just comes down to thinking: fuck it

you're not gona get egged, worst is you'll get a cpl of snotty comments on the internet from sad dudes on the internet

Thanks NI. So if my MVP2 maxes at about 11w then I can safely just stick it at the top end for a 2.1ohm coil? tbh I've saved so much with this already I might take your advice and switch again to istick/mini nautilus

In juice news, Digby's Dr Jekyll is the first that I've been repeat buying - nice on its own, & often mixes nicely when I have something else left over.

yeah 2.1 ohm at 11w is fine, i use my higher coils around that strength too. it's always worth pushing up one watt at a time and seeing where it tastes best, just before you get a hint of burning. have you tried sub ohm tanks at all yet? certain fluids taste so great at 30w.

next big item on your list should be trying out mixing your own fluids. super easy and will save you a fortune in the long run - it'll cost you about 1/10th of what you're paying now. if they do't sell the concentrate on its own a quick google usually comes up with the clone recipe:

Dr.Jekyll - Digby's
Absinthe (DV) 6%
French Vanilla (TPA) .3%
Peppermint (TPA) .8%
Sweetener (Sucralose) (TPA) 2 .3%

this should help when it comes to working out what wattage to use with different strength coils:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/20/uquhu2aq.jpg

says there that around 10w is the max for a 2.1ohm coil. i've gone to 11w on mine, but stick to 10w to be safe.

shit, i have been running mine way too hot according to that chart

well not "way" too hot but 1-2 blocks into the bright red

I wouldn't worry, it's all about how it tastes to you. I go beyond those limits most the time and it tastes great. I think they're being cautious

just tried it way down and it does taste more like the thing it says on the bottle, so that's good i guess?

idk if i could ever get into the sub-ohm/juicemaking/cotton buying/etc game tho. at this point it's just low enough maintenance that i don't say "fuck it" and smoke instead. even then i cheat sometimes because the battery's dead or something.

weed has a psychotropic effect unrelated to addiction

not for everyone? for heavy long-term users, the psychotropic effect tells your body that it doesn't need to produce neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin. for users who quit after years of heavy use, it can take awhile (6 months - 2 years) for your brain to start producing these chemicals naturally, in which case you feel depressed/anxious/irritable. sorry if i sound like some reddit bunghole, this is just standard boilerplate substance abuse/addiction stuff.

for sure, "withdrawal" generally used as shorthand for the symptoms of physical addiction when it comes to dependencies or addictions, it's not just "I withdrew the substance". didn't feel like going into that upthread

NI - great work on this thread in the face of, as you put it "snotty comments from sad dudes on the internet". You've really helped de-bunk a lot of stuff for me. I currently use liberty flights cartos with an e-go battery and their golden virginia liquid but quality is a bit hit and miss.

So to reiterate from upthread, your starter kit is istick 30, mini nautilus and what liquid?

Thanks!

yes, the istick 30w (£30) and the mini nautilus (£20) will last you a long long time. perfect for a beginner but the option of 30w means you can test out sub ohm tanks and see if they're for you. best sub ohm tank is the kanger subtank (£25). i'd recommend you go to a shop to buy these and ask the shop guy to talk you through it all, but if you're feeling brave/thrifty order from amazon. if you're feeling braver/thriftier you can order from chinese site fasttech.com (only buy the ones labelled 'authentic', avoid the 'styled' for now) but you'll have to wait two or three weeks.

as for liquid, it all depends on your tastes and i'm uk-based so the most popular ones with my lot might not be available in america. if you can easily get hold of watermelon wave and gummi bear by pink spot, give them a go, almost everyone i know loves them. also try out lemonade/pink lemonade by whatever brand as that's usually a safe bet.

for the high end thick gloopy liquids (ie. high vg) to use in sub ohm tanks, try out mother's milk by suicide bunny - it's a creamy custardy thing, hint of strawberry - or milk & honey by cosmic fog. good inoffensive neutral-ish flavours. but this stuff is so dependent on personal preference your best bet is to go to an ecig shop and try out a few different flavours. ask which are most popular from each range. i can usually tell if i'll like it by smelling it.

it does bug me that people spend so much money on the fluids because i know how cheap they are to make. DIY stuff isn't for everyone, especially not if you're just a casual user, but it's v satisfying, plus if you flog it cheap to your mates everyone's a winner.

should probably point out, pink spot and suicide bunny aren't especially well-liked or reputable companies, lot of hysterical ranting online about how their labs aren't that clean and the owners are liars and scoundrels etc. if any of that bothers you, best look elsewhere.

"try out mother's milk by suicide bunny - it's a creamy custardy thing, hint of strawberry - or milk & honey by cosmic fog. good inoffensive neutral-ish flavours. but this stuff is so dependent on personal preference your best bet is to go to an ecig shop and try out a few different flavours. ask which are most popular from each range. i can usually tell if i'll like it by smelling it."

Have both these and have been really underwhelmed. Hoping they're taste better once I do get one of these fancier models you all are talking about.

i was gona say, those two kinda neutral-ish so a good starting point but my personal favourite from suicide bunny is madrina - a creamy melon flavour. managed to make my own slightly-improved version which i'm mad chuffed about.

but yeah, if i understand right you've been using mother's milk at 11w, enbb, and i can't imagine getting much out of it at that strength. the high-end stuff really comes into its own at 30w and upwards, loads of subtle tastes come out, rich thick vapour. it might not be your bag though so it's worth asking in a shop if you can test it out on one of their sub ohm tanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=51&v=WM0SnRlUByQ

wait, that linked to the middle of the video. here it is from the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM0SnRlUByQ

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/05/the-poison-in-your-e-cigarettes.html

Summary: ecigarettes are not great for you, but they might be better than regular cigarettes. I'm not sure whether the testing drew a distinction between e-cigs and vaping, either.

tbh people say "vaping" to mean e-cigs 99% of the time now

I nearly just squeezed menthol e-liquid into my eyes rather than eye drops. The bottles are similar. I was hovering the bottle bottle my eye and caught myself.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/15-10185./

the diacetyl thing is a bit straw-clutchy, there's much much more of it in the average cigarette than a tank of ejuice. not that it's not an issue, but it's not really the smoking gun that'll bring the whole thing to its knees. bit more info here: http://blog.thedripclub.com/everybody-is-talking-about-vaping-and-popcorn-lung-again-so-heres-a-graph

and related to the discussion upthread, interesting stuff about the dangers/non-dangers of nicotine here: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/e-cigs-inconvenient-truth-its-much-safer-to-vape-20151221?page=3

Rather than occupying a place on the same spectrum that allows caffeine and alcohol to be consumed without stigma, today the word "nicotine" conjures up images of amputated limbs and metastasizing tumors — even though, as Russell made clear, nicotine in itself has never been the deadly culprit in cigarettes.

It may come as a surprise to learn that nicotine, when removed from cigarettes, is relatively benign. Though not free of risks — it can harm a fetus and may affect developing adolescent brains — it also has some benefits. A beguiling substance, nicotine operates as both an upper and a downer depending on the state of the user, proven to simultaneously sharpen focus and calm nerves. "In some ways I think of nicotine as the perfect psychotropic drug," says Paul Newhouse, a scientist at Vanderbilt University. He has spent his career administering nicotine to improve cognitive functioning in those suffering a variety of conditions, from Alzheimer's to Parkinson's to the mental fog created by chemotherapy and HIV medications. "The nicotinic receptors in the brain act as modulators rather than classic transmitters, scanning the system and stimulating what needs to be stimulated and relaxing what needs to be relaxed," Newhouse says, explaining both nicotine's therapeutic potential and appeal for recreational use. "That's why you have a smoker who uses a cigarette to wake up and to go to sleep."

Since the Eighties, anti-smoking groups have taken to underscoring the dangers of smoking by declaring that nicotine is as addictive as heroin — a shudder-inducing claim repeated today in anti-vaping efforts like the "Still Blowing Smoke" campaign currently being rolled out in California. The truth, however, has always been far more complicated. Rats are not prone to self-administer the drug in laboratory settings, for instance, as they will a substance like cocaine. Newhouse, in his research, supplies nicotine to patients primarily through patches, and even those who have been on the drug for a year show no symptoms of withdrawal when their trial period concludes. "No one goes out and buys a pack of cigarettes when they're done," he says. "For someone like me, who is using nicotine to help people, it's a disservice to portray nicotine as being as addictive as heroin when it absolutely is nowhere close."

Mitch Zeller, the director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, the arm of the agency currently working on regulations for e-cigs, concedes that the new products have presented a formidable challenge to the idea that nicotine is anything but a hazard. "Electronic cigarettes have become the poster child for the questions that, on a societal level, we need to be asking about nicotine," he says. "None of them have easy answers." Zeller points out that federal approval for over-the-counter doses of nicotine in the form of gums and patches (with no labels warning of addiction) is evidence that it is not the insidious substance many believe it to be. "How could the same compound associated with so much death and disease be so safe that you can buy it without a doctor's prescription?" he asks. "The answer is that it's about the delivery mechanism, not the drug."

While nicotine can be ingested in a variety of generally harmless ways, it is only when inhaled that its full powers — and potential for addiction — are unlocked. From the lungs it reaches the brain within seconds, providing the satisfying jolt that smokers crave. (A nicotine patch, by contrast, takes many minutes longer.) The habit that is as addictive as heroin, in other words, is smoking tobacco cigarettes, not nicotine consumption. Which is to say that smoking never came to be demonized solely because it is addictive, but because its addictive qualities fueled a dependence that kills. This may seem like splitting hairs, save for the fact that America has anything but an unequivocal issue with drug addiction; if we did, we'd be funneling Starbucks patrons into rehab clinics, pitying those who "need" a glass of wine to unwind rather than joining them for happy hour, and viewing large swaths of the pharmaceutical industry in the same light we do corner drug-slingers.

the Pax 2 is heaven sent

My pax 1 is on the skids. Worth upgrading?

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

http://gawker.com/oh-my-god-a-u-s-congressman-just-vaped-while-legislat-1758511544

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSuAst_XIAAJNrz.jpg

US Dept of Transportation banned these on commercial flights the other day

I smoked for 20 years, then quit, but an uptick in my social life has led to more drinking/going out, and I've been smoking when I drink. This has been bothering me a lot (health concerns mainly) so I got vape thingy and I like it! I was concerned that I would still want 'the real thing' on nights out, but I dont! The vape hits the spot.

I got a Moto Plus, very well reviewed and cheap @ $55. Ultra compact too. I don't think this model is widely available however.

I'm totally unselfconscioss about, probably bc I'm too old to give a f-

My main concern is that vaping will, beyond just replacing my occasional social smoking, get me really hooked on nicotine again. But hey, it's good by cigarettes and that's awesome.

Goodbye cigarettes, silly phone

http://www.vapecommonsense.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/I-Vape-I-Vote.jpg

One of my local bars banned vaping because there are too many 'sick clouds bro' assholes annoying the rest of the customers.