i think we all agree that her calling someone (anyone; even a fictional personage) a "pussy" was very bad judgement. but a firing offense? if that was a firing offense, there wouldn't be a single football or basketball coach employed at an institution of higher education.*
*ugh, don't get me started on double standards for athletic dept. employees.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
but yes this stinks of someone waiting for the professor to step out of line in order to fire them.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
this event seems to be very much about an individual!
xps
― goole, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
no idea what prof buchanan is "really like;" what we do know is that her firing was based on no student complaint and done over the recommendation of a faculty investigative panel that recommended censure
perhaps she had a long history of this kind of rough talk that came up to the administration outside of official channels. you can imagine anything, if you want
― goole, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
the story in the advocate indicates that the president's read of the evidence is pretty tendentious
Buchanan was fired even though a committee of five faculty members that presided over an 11-hour dismissal review hearing held on March 9 recommended that she keep her job.
While the committee found that her adult language and humor violated university policies that protect students and employees from sexual harassment, it found no evidence Buchanan’s comments were “systematically directed at any individual.”
The committee recommended she be censured and agree to quit using “potentially offensive language and jokes” that some found offensive.
The committee also faulted the university for failing to have the chair of Buchanan’s department work to resolve her behavior prior to having the Human Resources Office investigate.
LSU President and Chancellor F. King Alexander rejected the faculty committee’s recommendation that Buchanan be censured and instead urged the LSU Board of Supervisors to dismiss her.
In an April 2 letter to Buchanan, Alexander pointed to the committee’s finding that she had engaged in sexual harassment but didn’t mention that the committee had recommended censure, not termination.
The chancellor also cited an allegation that Buchanan had violated a student’s rights under the federal Americans With Disabilities Act, an allegation the committee had rejected as “not substantiated by testimony.”
― goole, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
oooh
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
btw does merely saying 'fuck no' (not in response to a student but in re. a discussion of a work of literature) create a hostile working environment? in that case the word 'fuck' is so far removed from its sexual meaning that i would argue it doesn't carry any sexual connotation whatsoever. no more than saying 'shit! this projector is broken' is alluding to coprophilia.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
any breach of a norm of propriety may be perceived as hostile for a variety of legitimate or illegitimate reasons
― j., Wednesday, 1 July 2015 17:22 (eight years ago) link
sure
― wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/30/zandria-robinson-univ-of-memphis-professor-whitene/
― supreme problematics (D-40), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
she had already accepted another job a while back
the university reporting that she no longer works for them is not stating that she was fired
when this popped up on twitter yesterday and under the hashtag i saw loads of academic/twitter activists being all 'i am outraged' before they realized any of that, it put online-outrage-mongering in really sharp perspective
― j., Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/07/01/twitter-explodes-false-reports-u-memphis-fired-professor-why?utm_content=buffer3f581&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
― j., Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
"we need a more nuanced intersectional reading of the thing," says the professor whose twitter condemnations lack all nuance
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
http://www.thenation.com/article/211337/professor-was-fired-saying-fuck-no-class#
this article mentions a lot of recent creepy-liberalism-in-academia events, going all the way back to patti adler's 'prostitution lecture', but it also contains different reporting about theresa buchanan
Recently, there’s been much discussion of what some say is a growing intellectual chill and sexual panic on campus. In the latest example, on June 19, Teresa Buchanan, a tenured associate professor of education at Louisiana State University, was fired from the school where she’d taught for twenty years for using off-color language. Her alleged offenses included saying, in class, “fuck no” and making a joke about sex declining in long-term relationships, as well as using the word “pussy” in an off-campus conversation with a teacher. Reached by phone, she says she had no memory of saying “pussy” to anyone, but said that, if she did, it likely would have been in a conversation about how teachers must learn to handle irate parents. “If a parent is very angry and says, ‘You need to do a better job, you little pussy,” you need to know how to react. I wasn’t calling anybody that word.”
― j., Thursday, 2 July 2015 02:39 (eight years ago) link
From the Nation article:
The student, he learned, was threatening to bring him up on sexual harassment charges. “Oh, I felt unsafe,” he whines, imitating her. The director, he says, told him, “I know this is bullshit, you know this is total bullshit, since you’re gay, but you really don’t want to deal with this bullshit. Just give her the grade.”
Bizarre to leave uncriticized the claim that gay dudes are incapable of creating a toxic atmosphere for women.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
that guy sounds like an A+ asshole
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
Honestly, being the kind of teacher who prides himself on his blunt truth-telling and likes to pull out the "whiny little girl" voice is positively correlated with running a classroom that's crap for women, though obviously I know nothing about this guy in particular.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
I also think that "student programmed to hyperachieve will do anything to avoid a B+" has much more to do with this story than "political correctness gone mad."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
yup
so many students seem completely crestfallen when they get anything lower than an A (or sometimes an A-) which is so weird to me
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
She also jokingly told some of her female students that that they shouldn’t expect their boyfriends to keep helping them out with their coursework after the sex gets stale.
Seems to me the faculty response to this is totally right: you don't get fired for this, but seriously, cut that shit out, it is unprofessional and gross.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
A toxic combination of an increasing dependence on financial aid, overachieving, and obsessive parents, in my experience.
xpost
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
to be honest in my experience it's not the financial-aid kids who are the worst grade-grubbers
it's the UMC (or rich) kids who really want to make their parents happy (and/or get them off their backs, which is the same thing)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
of course my experience is specific to big midwestern state flagship universities
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
people treat colleges like the DMV or frankly the justice system - vaguely wanting harsh 'rigor' for everyone else but a careful and supporting environment for themselves or their kids
i say this as a general observation; i have no sense of whether the charges against levinson are true
― goole, Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
The argument I hear most is the student who needs the A- because h/she "might lose" the aid. My usual response: you don't just lose your aid thanks to one class -- are you failing the others AND did badly last semester?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link
well, yeah. the whole "I need an A in this class because..." "...because you did poorly in all your other classes? er, try working harder."
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
but I seldom hear "...because I'll lose my aid"
instead I hear "...because I can't get into the major I want"
nursing school
― j., Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
communication school
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
abolish grades imo
― ryan, Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link
grading school
― j., Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
abolish school
― Rouge Trooper (dowd), Thursday, 2 July 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
grades are the worst. i love school, though.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 2 July 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/columbia-says-no-to-trigger-warnings.html
like it says, no trigger warnings to be added to columbia's required reading list
― j., Friday, 3 July 2015 01:21 (eight years ago) link
http://www.happytrailsforever.com/view/uploads/Triggerbook-byPando.jpg
― hunangarage, Friday, 3 July 2015 03:06 (eight years ago) link
phew, that book /will/ stay on columbia's Great Books core curriculum
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 3 July 2015 04:34 (eight years ago) link
kinda surprised professors are holding the line on this.
I wonder if the ways in which universities currently handle disabilities is going to be the end game for this. what's the term? "reasonable accommodation" or something?
― ryan, Friday, 3 July 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link
isn't that what peeps are always hammerin neville chamberlain for
― j., Friday, 3 July 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
trigger warnings in our time
― Mordy, Friday, 3 July 2015 14:20 (eight years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0b/0a/04/0b0a04481630bff55a4ce4105b424dc2.jpg
it's a good sign i think
― drash, Friday, 3 July 2015 14:26 (eight years ago) link
This whole situation has gotten so twisty and confused that I authentically have no idea what stance you mean when you say "holding the line"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
referring to this link by jhttp://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/columbia-says-no-to-trigger-warnings.html
Though students have asked for trigger warnings at schools like U.C. Santa Barbara and Oberlin, professors have largely opposed them: A 2014 report drafted by the American Association of University Professors argues that making trigger warnings university policy poses a threat to their academic freedom and is "counterproductive to the educational experience."
― drash, Friday, 3 July 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link
do people here have opinions about this case?
http://torontoist.com/2012/11/online-harassment-is-more-prevalent-and-taken-more-seriously-than-ever/
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech
― The Nation's Top 100 Light Bulb Jokes as judged by Lenny Henry (soref), Thursday, 16 July 2015 12:23 (eight years ago) link
https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/twitter-trail.jpg?w=620&h=465
take him away boys
― and she's baconing like she's never baconed before (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 16 July 2015 12:46 (eight years ago) link
that guy is creep & assholebut criminalizing that kind of internet trolling?(nb no allegation of irl threatening)NOseriously opposed to this
― drash, Thursday, 16 July 2015 12:51 (eight years ago) link
lol stop
What if someone showed up everywhere you went and interrupted everything you said? It would take, idk, maybe 3-5 appearances until most ppl called the police or threatened legal action, and that's if the stalker didn't make any literal threats.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 16 July 2015 13:40 (eight years ago) link
Neither of those articles, or the other articles that came up when I googled his name, provide the content of the tweets in question as far as I can tell. Really no idea what is going on here.
― how's life, Thursday, 16 July 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
i don't think 'what if someone showed up everywhere you went and interrupted everything you said' is an apt comparison, though none of the ones that seem apt to me obviously translate over unchanged
isn't it more like, what if you were a public speaker and (the same) someone always came and asked a question from the audience?
or what if you were a public figure and a tabloid reporter always followed you around in public goading you for a reaction?
― j., Thursday, 16 July 2015 14:00 (eight years ago) link
Hm maybe, but on twitter EVERYONE is a "public speaker" so it ceases to be notable as such. That doesn't make it private, but I think in terms of what it means for someone to relentlessly interact with you when you've discouraged them from doing so, it's closer to violating someone's personal space than it is to just coincidentally being at the same public event, metaphorically speaking.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 16 July 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link
my problem is, criminalizationin absence of irl threat, criterion here seems completely arbitrary& (esp since we’re talking criminal law here) imo threat to free speechnb this isn't even case of 'hate speech'not opposed to org/corps/platforms (twitter, reddit, ilx) implementing certain mechanisms to deal with this kind of thing, to weed out certain forms of online harassmentbut i don’t think internet trolls (who don’t represent any irl threat) should be arrested & go to jail
― drash, Thursday, 16 July 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link