road house is more watchable and entertaining than show girls
― goole, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
saith jacques rivette,
Starship Troopers (Paul Verhoeven, 1997)I’ve seen it twice and I like it a lot, but I prefer Showgirls (1995), one of the great American films of the last few years. It’s Verhoeven’s best American film and his most personal. In Starship Troopers, he uses various effects to help everything go down smoothly, but he’s totally exposed in Showgirls. It’s the American film that’s closest to his Dutch work. It has great sincerity, and the script is very honest, guileless. It’s so obvious that it was written by Verhoeven himself rather than Mr. Eszterhas, who is nothing. And that actress is amazing! Like every Verhoeven film, it’s very unpleasant: it’s about surviving in a world populated by assholes, and that’s his philosophy. Of all the recent American films that were set in Las Vegas, Showgirls was the only one that was real – take my word for it.I who have never set foot in the place!
I’ve seen it twice and I like it a lot, but I prefer Showgirls (1995), one of the great American films of the last few years. It’s Verhoeven’s best American film and his most personal. In Starship Troopers, he uses various effects to help everything go down smoothly, but he’s totally exposed in Showgirls. It’s the American film that’s closest to his Dutch work. It has great sincerity, and the script is very honest, guileless. It’s so obvious that it was written by Verhoeven himself rather than Mr. Eszterhas, who is nothing. And that actress is amazing! Like every Verhoeven film, it’s very unpleasant: it’s about surviving in a world populated by assholes, and that’s his philosophy. Of all the recent American films that were set in Las Vegas, Showgirls was the only one that was real – take my word for it.I who have never set foot in the place!
― drash, Monday, 29 June 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link
Masterpiece against masterpiece.
yeah, that's the general idea. even though i wouldn't call mommie dearest a masterpiece. if anything, mommie dearest would be better TS pairing with road house in that both are bad-yet-entertaining movies.
that said, to me showgirls delivers what others (definitely NOT me) claim they see in Douglas Sirk's films -- namely, over-the-top spectacle that undermines its purported story -- though it's a good bit drier (in a good way!) than any Sirk movie i've ever seen.
― Các yếu tố khác ảnh hưởng tới quỹ đạo Sao Diêm Vương (Eisbaer), Monday, 29 June 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link
lol I was talking w/Stevie about Basic Instinct and how Eszterhas really writes these garbage ott scripts that Verhoeven crafts into cinematic gold
― Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 29 June 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
That Eszterhas ebook about his interactions with Mel Gibson is amazing in that it reveals lots of personality quirks of the writer and the subject, along with making the point that his nonfiction writing is ridiculous and random
― Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 29 June 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
lol damn jacques
rather than Mr. Eszterhas, who is nothing
― johnny crunch, Monday, 29 June 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
i watched the first 27 min of roadhouse today and i can't believe i lived without it this long john doe is the bartender?! gahi can't wait to watch the rest
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 21:05 (eight years ago) link
!!!
http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/9/9/9285575/ronda-rousey-to-star-in-remake-of-1980s-cult-classic-road-house
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:10 (eight years ago) link
It's like rolling both movies in one!
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link
(Sorry. I don't really believe that for the record.)
Annnnnd a Paul Verhoeven interview. Happy 20th.
http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/showgirls-paul-verhoeven-on-the-greatest-stripper-movie-ever-made-20150922
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link
why did they interview him about Magic Mike XXL?
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link
Pump and thrust
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link
As for the finished product: I thought it was perfect. Otherwise I would have changed it.
<3 <3 <3
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link
just bought this on blu-ray, it's still so great
everything in this interview shd go w/o saying but this is a great primer for ppl who still don't ~get~ this movie
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
i get it. you can have it.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
I need to watch all Verhoevens films again. He's my god. Well, after Haneke.
― nathom, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
i've been doing that myself in preparation for a thing i'm writing that may or may not ever get finished. anyway i've basically liked-to-loved everything except spetters
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
Verhoeven >>> Haneke (who I like very much)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Are you going chronologically, brad? Turkish Delight is special.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
i'm glad he finally made a really good film last year
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link
quiet morbs
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
anyway i did not go chronologically. i watched all of his american films and then made my way backwards and forwards with his dutch films. turkish delight was fun but also felt very light to me, so i don't really love it. the fourth man is fucking amazing however
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
oh, morbs, does that mean you don't like black book?
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
bc if so you're full of nonsense
I do. That and RoboCop, Total Recall are good as far as they go.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
Turkish Delight is insane but in increasingly suspect ways as it hurtles toward death.
that's my problem with spetters
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
gonna steal that phraae for my gravestone xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
well yes my sundry opinions can be found in the general Verhoeven thread, after the retro a few months ago
my central problem w/ Showgirls is it's juvenile, and not in a way that personally appeals to me (ie not THAT gay)
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
movie is great altho the rape scene of the non-character is ...not doing what it thinks it is
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 13 May 2017 09:32 (six years ago) link
So I was just checking on Jeffrey Schwarz's work, since I'm seeing The Fabulous Allan Carr later today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Schwarz
And I note re his upcoming projects:
Currently in development are feature documentaries about the making of Paul Verhoeven’s misunderstood masterpiece Showgirls
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 June 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
I saw this at Philly Pride today:
https://ctl.s6img.com/society6/img/_THbf5miovhdJYG8_2TTmc1043c/h_550,w_550/tshirts/men/greybg/white/~artwork,bg_FFFFFFFF/s6-0020/a/7849017_16134973/~~/you-dont-nomi-tshirts.jpg
― he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 19 June 2017 02:09 (six years ago) link
Why are you not wearing it right now
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 June 2017 02:13 (six years ago) link
omg love that tee
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
would wear a "brown rice and vegetables?!?!?" one too
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
tbh I am very over the "Versayce" joke but I really like that design
― he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link
"I'm Afraid of Americans" originally appeared as a rough mix on the soundtrack to the film Showgirls (in which the chorus is "I'm afraid of the animals" instead of the later "I'm afraid of Americans")
"I'm afraid of the animals, I'm afraid of the woods" 🐾
― Wes Brodicus, Saturday, 23 December 2017 09:25 (six years ago) link
I thought this thread would be taller
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 December 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
The fact that there is a 2 disc Blu-ray for Road House now makes me happy. Why yes I own it.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
what are the extras??
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
Read up! I never got the special DVD edition so I believe a fair amount is ported over but I'm not positive.
https://www.shoutfactory.com/product/road-house-collector-s-edition?product_id=4718
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
Oh wait, they indicate it -- anything marked "NEW" was done for this release.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link
I mean, two separate documentaries on the stunts and the music, a full new documentary on the whole film, etc. etc. Like I said, of course I own it!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
I kinda want that, but I gotta admit I'd pay $5 extra for a Super Special Edition that omitted this:
• Audio Commentary By Road House Fans Kevin Smith And Scott Mosier
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 23 December 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
Showgirls is classic
― stoker (Ross), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
Ross YOU'RE classic
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
Road House is classic.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
If there can be books on Showgirls there can be essay series on Road House.
Hey Roadhouse fans: @theseantcollins is doing the deepest of deep dives on it, Talmudic scholar-ly in nature, and it don't hurt. It's real good, mijo:https://t.co/Bm6K5LnTnj— Bill Corbett (@BillCorbett) January 9, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
I finally watched roadhouse and I guess I liked it? I have this annoying tic now where I involuntarily start analyzing the class politics of every film and I found this one weird in its generation of the petit bourgeoisie against both the working poor and the capitalist. All about reinstating order and hierarchy and also being tied to the land. Maybe even a little bit fascist. I’m not fun at parties and that’s actually true.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 29 February 2020 05:54 (four years ago) link