here's a vape thread for everyone to talk about vapitos shit because nobody else cares

enbb, I think we're almost exactly at the same stage, and I have been down the same rabbit holes, with the same repulsion/fascination with the aesthetics & community - I was tempted to go to the VAPE JAM UK expo to walk among the booths full of idealists/wide boys.

BTW for some madness of the scene in case you missed it, a vaping political party stood a couple of candidates in the UK general election - vapersinpower.co.uk (thank you Noodle Vague for finding that)

NI thank you for all that - so otm that the middle ground explanations are missing, like this:

in simple terms a sub ohm tank is a tank where the heating element gets really hot really quickly but without actually burning the cotton. it means your fluid is turned into vapour v fast so you get a big rush of smoke. the flavour is a lot more intense with these

Is the simple explanation that I'd wanted - forums, no matter how friendly (and they do seem to be), didn't really seem to manage it. I like tinkering with things - makes me more inclined to try.

http://i.imgur.com/qZEGs6U.png

the only thing that comes to mind when i see people with vape pens letting off these massive clouds of smoke is the candy/gum cigarettes i used to buy at the local five and dime that came loosely wrapped in a paper and swaddled in powdered sugar so that you could put them in your little kiddie mouth, exhale and let loose with a satisfying burst of cirrus saccharine

apparently vape juice/giant clouds leave a film on everything too. fucking gross. ppl on the vape reddit complaining about how they have to scrape their car windows regularly smh.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/15/article-2324697-19C7517C000005DC-788_634x848.jpg
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lol

lol'd so hard

When I see people smoking them on the street I always assume there's weed in the tincture. Otherwise what's the point?

these shitstains should be summarily executed

Guys with hilarious vaping pictures, you should maybe go to the fedora thread, where we all laugh at that shit. Guys who just want to hate on it, there's another ecig thread. This one was made for those of us who actually do it to share stuff. Admittedly there's little to stop you from sharing your views here, but just to give you a heads-up that there are other places for you to lol.

Where is the fedora thread? I will go there. I am interested in ohm science but also in hilarity.

it's on 77 tbf

emil.y otm stop being dicks

ok that was harsh but I'm tired and cranky but, yeah, we all totally acknowledge the hilarity and anyone can post whatever but maybe not so many pictures in this one (even tho mick signals was amazing)? idk maybe that's silly.

Anyway the mother's milk is nice but i'm a little disappointed! Maybe it's because, as NI said, it's for people with more complex devices? For high-end liquid it's not really amazing or anything.

is vaping a distraction

apparently vape juice/giant clouds leave a film on everything too. fucking gross. ppl on the vape reddit complaining about how they have to scrape their car windows regularly.

kinda true. never noticed it in my home but it's an issue in the car, a high vg/sub ohm tank definitely steams up the window inside. wouldn't call it oil, as it's nothing like the residue on the cooker hood after frying bacon but it does cloud up the glass.

Is it the nicotine or is it something else in the vapor?

Anyway the mother's milk is nice but i'm a little disappointed! Maybe it's because, as NI said, it's for people with more complex devices? For high-end liquid it's not really amazing or anything.

i thought this when i first tried it too. just a basic cream taste, with a bit of strawberry but i dunno, i kept going back to it and after a week or so i was really into it, recognising different subtle flavours all the time, really liking the thick creamy sensation. it's not something i'd walk around chonging on all day, but as a late-night smoke it was great, like a dessert thing. can you tell me what battery you use, enbb? and if you know the strength of your atomiser/coil, just to get the gist of your set up.

if anyone has any questions about any of this, from the mega basic to the kinda advanced, give me a shot. would be useful for building a list of articles.

Is it the nicotine or is it something else in the vapor?

it's the VG in the fluid. vg is vegetable glycerol, a thick oil that gives off a lot of vapour, and that's the stuff that clings to glass. the other fluid used is PG, propylene glycol, a much thinner sharper fluid and that stuff doesn't leave much if any residue. if the residue thing bugs you just switch to a high PG fluid.

what does the VG do to yr lungs?

can you tell me what battery you use, enbb? and if you know the strength of your atomiser/coil, just to get the gist of your set up.

Uhhhh. This is all very technical! I have an ego-c and a EGO-II 2200mAh Battery. I have no idea about the coil. I've just been using the kind that comes with the kanger protank.

all the tests so far have shown them to be safe, no impact. it's the same stuff used in smoke machines in clubs. the consensus is that VG gives off a thicker smoother blast of vapour, so it's more gentle on the throat. PG gives more of a sharp kick, so it feels more like smoking, and getting a nicotine hit. most people new to this stuff like the high PG because it feels like something is happening, like a toke on a cigarette. some people get irritated by the PG though, annoys the lining of the throat, so they prefer VG.

all the high-end fluids are high VG, as you can't really use high PG fluids in sub ohm tanks or at high temperatures - it hurts the throat at those temperatures.

Uhhhh. This is all very technical! I have an ego-c and a EGO-II 2200mAh Battery. I have no idea about the coil. I've just been using the kind that comes with the kanger protank.

no worries, if you manage to find out let me know and i can recommend some tweaks. the strength of the coil is the key thing, have a look when you next unscrew it from the tank to replace it, it should say on the side. don't worry about this though but maybe hold onto half of your bottle of mother's milk til you get a set-up more suited to the high vg high-end fluids.

OK, thank you but I'm cool where I am at the moment. Those complex things scare me! I like my discreet little setup. :) This morning I mixed some of the mother's milk with a 50/50 pg/vg liquid I have that is berry flavored to go w/ the strawberry in MM and I think it thinned it out a little and made it more suited to whatever strengths my coil is? Is that possible?

(also, you are very helpful!)

xxposts - PG is used in asthma inhalers and nebulizers and has never shown any negative effects.

This morning I mixed some of the mother's milk with a 50/50 pg/vg liquid I have that is berry flavored to go w/ the strawberry in MM and I think it thinned it out a little and made it more suited to whatever strengths my coil is? Is that possible?

yeah makes a lot of sense. i tried high VG fluids on my early set-ups and didn't get much from them - hints of flavour but felt v weak, and yeah, it's because the coil isn't strong enough to cut through the high vg. adding PG will help a bit but you're losing a bit of the quality by doing that.

im gonna guess you're on 1.8ohm coils, which is what i use 80% of the time, during the day etc. with that in mind, i'd recommend the pink spot fluids. they're made in vegas so should be cheaper and easier to find over there, rather than here in the UK. some great flavours in their range. gummi bear, fire & ice (cinnamon & menthol), watermelon wave, raspberry lemonade. really strong flavours, more intense than anything else i've tried. they're the ones i offer to smokers to plant the seed of 'something better is out there'

i sound a bit salesy there but man, i properly love those flavours. such a step up from all the basic blueberry, menthol, tobacco etc ones from yr avg shop.

The vegetable glycol thing partially answers one of my questions!

My serious questions for vape aficionados:
1. Are all the vape fluids mostly glycol? Does anyone debate the efficacy/health concerns of different types of glycol? Propylene glycol is one I'm familiar with (you can use that stuff for... anything!) but I know people complain about it when it's a food/consumable additive although I know it's not really known to be bad for you. It kind of entertains me to think people are pulling drags off of little handheld fog machines
2. Is vaping fluid pretty much the whole deal? Looseleaf tobacco vaporizers exist but I am unsure if that's in the same cultural segment, a different group entirely, or if people ignore those because they're really for w33d.

iirc club smoke machines actually have warnings saying not to be around them all the time, although musicians who use them heavily in their acts obviously ignore this. I think it's mostly caution due to unknowns.

Are there e-cig flavors that replicate pipe smoke aroma?

1. Are all the vape fluids mostly glycol? Does anyone debate the efficacy/health concerns of different types of glycol? Propylene glycol is one I'm familiar with (you can use that stuff for... anything!) but I know people complain about it when it's a food/consumable additive although I know it's not really known to be bad for you. It kind of entertains me to think people are pulling drags off of little handheld fog machines

Ecig fluid is made up of four things: vegetable glycerol, propylene glycol, nicotine and flavouring. the only health concern i've come across so far is that a small % of people can find the PG irritating to their throat, it's not that common though. i didn't know there were many complaints about it as a foodstuff, what are these? little handheld fog machines is a perfect way of putting it haha, though the ingredients used in ecig fluid is a lot better quality and cleaner than smoke machine stuff

2. Is vaping fluid pretty much the whole deal? Looseleaf tobacco vaporizers exist but I am unsure if that's in the same cultural segment, a different group entirely, or if people ignore those because they're really for w33d.

yeah the ones we're talking about here, and 99.9% ones in the world are based around juice. i've heard about people modifying them to put weed in them, but that's mostly THC fluid, not aware of any that actively burn up a chunk of weed. in any case, the result is different, that'd be actual 'smoke' coming from burnt matter, whereas ecig stuff is the vapour from fluid. real smoke is more damaging to the lungs.

xp: There's a panoply of different tobacco flavours for these things. there's probably something that attempts to simulate pipe tobacco -- i've seen a couple different fake-cigar, a zillion different fake-cigarettes... pipe/loose-leaf is probably less "off" than the fake cig flavours, because it's a bit sweeter? i have found any tobacco-inspired flavour has a weird sweetness to it.

(did i use panoply right?)

Are there e-cig flavors that replicate pipe smoke aroma?

yeah loads, based around tobacco and all that. they're not for me though, never have been. the ones i tried were awful, you'll never be able to accurately recreate a pipe of cigarette because it's vapour, not actual smoke from burning, a fundamental difference in sensation. there are a bunch of high-end tobacco flavoured e-juice that people rate highly but i've never tried them - RY4 and swagger by pink spot are names i've heard a lot. i'm not sure about a specific 'pipe' flavour but i bet there is.

I don't think there are any actual health risks linked to propylene glycol, but "natural health" types are very into referring to it as "that antifreeze liquid" and complaining about its use in flavored coffee and anywhere else it appears. If you look into recent articles about Fireball Cinnamon Whisky being denied entry into some country or another it's linked to glycol being used as an additive.

that's interesting http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/fireball-cinnamon-whiskey-pulled-from-shelves-over-antifreeze-ingredient-propylene-glycol-9825134.html but this is the key line: "“most people consume propylene glycol every day in soft drinks, sweeteners, some foods and alcoholic beverages”."

if you're the kind of person who gets uptight about sweetener and paracetamol and the govt planting thoughts in your head using radio waves, then yeah, avoid it. for normal people, don't fret. i'm pretty sensitive to caffeine and drugs in general, but other than feeling queasy when i was smoking fluid with high nicotine, i've never noticed anything about using this stuff. one thing to point out is that in the first few weeks of using this you might get a few mouth ulcers and colds. this is due to your body getting rid of all the chemicals from cigarettes, it doesn't happen to everyone and isn't so bad, but as far as dangers to health go, that's all i've had. though there'll be a tiny % of people out there who are allergic to certain flavourings, or the PG, VG or nicotine, same as with anything.

Yeah the EWG, sunscreen is poison, yoga mat chemicals in Subway bread contingent are very worried about PG.

(full confession - I have succumbed to these concerns for various reasons in the past but I try to be a little more skeptical/science minded these days.)

i think the suggestion is that it's not been tested as a vaporized inhalant by the FDA but i'm not totally sure
i know ecig companies are blocking tests and FDA approval as no news is good news

stop shaming me for shaming vape culture and not having access to 77. also ni you are talking out yr ass re: weed vapes. thanks god the bay area at large has rejected vape culture but not vapin' weed. you can vape flowers, wax/shatter or hash oil.

haha who's this guy ^

show yr workings cory vash

http://www.vice.com/read/the-vapers-of-e3-617

this is due to your body getting rid of all the chemicals from cigarettes

citation needed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15370162

yeah nothing in there implies it has anything to do with your body getting rid of chemicals!

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ok let's replace that line above with "mouth ulcers are a common result of stopping smoking"

I could say it's due to your mouth bacteria regaining their potency, as they were being killed off by smoke, and your gums must get used to them again. This has no evidence, but it has as much evidence as "your body getting rid of the chemicals" if you link it with that study.