thread of miguel

give me pound give me pound give me euro give me yen

i don't know if i would say that his lyrics are feminist, but there are certainly feminist sentiments, or at least a number of instances in which the woman is presented as holding the power outside of the context of objectivity. i think in the context of mainstream male pop music his music is more feminist than most.

i certainly think his portrayal of sex from a male perspective is progressive, as alfred noted in referencing "use me"

and we've spent the last month gawking at album art in which he positions himself as an available object of desire. This doesn't mitigate any legit complaints about his songs and imagery, though; understanding him is complicated.

if you're arguing that comparatively his work is less explicitly sexist than most charting r&b, mmmmmaybe? like imo he's obv more progressive than usher but maybe not notably more so than ne-yo (storytime aside)

"I don't mind" is more explicitly feminist than anything Miguel has ever done

this is a good conversation

my thoughts on other things recently mentioned itt are conflicted/underdeveloped/dumb and not worth mentioning, but

"pussy is mine" (admittedly the worst cut on the album)

this is not true

pussy is mine is dope

what track on kaleidoscope dream do you like less than PiM

pussy is mine is dope AND the worst cut on the album

yeah fair point

was looking at tracklist on wiki to see if i really believe that and ran into

Alfred Soto of The Quietus was pleasantly surprised by "the range of sonic ideas, fully realized songs, and prodigious vocal talent" by Miguel after a "tentative" debut and commented that he "articulates how a love man can be louche without being a douche."[23]

louche douche truths

and hey i didn't even notice until just now but going to hell / flesh / hollywood dreams / nwa / face the sun are now up on spotify:
http://open.spotify.com/user/forksclovetofu/playlist/25ZKsgl9VGDh756EgyINIg
/pvmic

"I don't mind" is more explicitly feminist than anything Miguel has ever done

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:37 Bookmark

lol clearly it is not

'i don't mind' is an assertion of power thru ostentatiously demonstrating its easy relinquishment; it's more affectionate but ultimately cut from similar cloth to the ~playful~ backhanded empowerment some claimed of the blurred lines video

miguel otoh always deploys his supposedly/ostensibly dogeared cliches with a laser focused attentiveness, calculated degrees of signalled sleaze in aid of a carnality born of genuine mutuality; he plays sub and dom so well because he so appreciates the rules, the balance; absolutely he is a feminist

louche douche truths

― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu),

*bows* MY solo album.

miguel otoh always deploys his supposedly/ostensibly dogeared cliches with a laser focused attentiveness, calculated degrees of signalled sleaze in aid of a carnality born of genuine mutuality

This sounds right. Above all the guys in his songs are so into pleasure as a principle that they're willing to be courtly and have manners about it.

'candles in the sun' is so obv the worst kd kut come on

whereas The Weeknd casts a withering glare on the women he fucks; uses his self-loathing, which is really loathing of any women who would yield to him, as a come-on; and hates himself and her for it. But don't worry -- she's earned it. Repeat cycle.

that song is not about possession but instead entirely about male inadequacy

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:02 Bookmark

otm btw

candles in the sun is loose and a bit boring; pussy is mine is a hear-it-once-then-dispose demo
tbh i generally stop after arch and point so i'm not gonna argue too vehemently

I generally stop after "Arch N Point" -- what a way to go.

"Candles in the Sun" is the weakest track. Wish he'd subbed it with "...All."

havent heard this yet because 4ever unsullied obv but it already seems clear to me that j0rd's take repeats his earlier privileging of the idea of effervescence as not something subjectively preferential but essential to migs persona heretofore, and worse tries to grace the point by disingenously equating that efferv (i cannot write this word out again sorry) with r&b as a whole, vs a deeper/heavier/scuzzier/other-er rock. i don't agree with this reading, it just seems cosmetic. u wouldnt hear it for maxwell or d'angelo

I like Candles in the Sun but it doesn't feel like a good album closer. I didn't actually realise it was the album closer until I got the vinyl. All works way better.

i seem to be the only person who thinks "candles in the sun" is great

just love his delivery on it

it's a great song!

I love the Art Dealer Chic "Candles," mostly only enjoy the album version as a reminder of it

yeah the album version of "candles in the sun" is a throwaway

Hi just popping in here to note I'm currently watching an S&M-themed striptease to "Teach Me"

havent heard this yet because 4ever unsullied obv but it already seems clear to me that j0rd's take repeats his earlier privileging of the idea of effervescence as not something subjectively preferential but essential to migs persona heretofore, and worse tries to grace the point by disingenously equating that efferv (i cannot write this word out again sorry) with r&b as a whole, vs a deeper/heavier/scuzzier/other-er rock. i don't agree with this reading, it just seems cosmetic. u wouldnt hear it for maxwell or d'angelo

― r|t|c, Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Gonna have a few more drinks then read this post again.

miguel covered slaves :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=145&v=Cyg7mg-ac8U

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/22/415459282/first-listen-miguel-wildheart

*pours glass of wine*

this doin' things to me

*heavy breathing*

♫ i wanna FUCK like we're filming in the VALLEY ♫

christ, "waves"

"leaves"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

califorrrrrrniaaa

california -> face the sun woooooow

I've loved pretty much everything this guy has done and I'm still shocked by how great this is

waves

fuckin hell Miggy ur doin it

Waves

Hollywood Dreams too, goddamn

<3

after a night w/this am gonna need coffee in the morning

i never much listened for miguel after his first eps cuz i didn't dig them much, but man this is so great already

so many feels. 'the valley', 'flesh', 'waves' and 'hollywood dreams' are so so so great.
also, i really enjoy listening him singing in spanish.

Sounded fucking great on my commute this morning. Also I think I will be obsessed with "Face the Sun" forever

i have so many feels about california, state of, now but i've barely ever even been there