here's a vape thread for everyone to talk about vapitos shit because nobody else cares

i recently went into the 'house of vapes' in shoreditch the other day with another friend who is trying to use them to help her quit. we were both amused by the groups of guys sitting around blowing huge clouds of smoke into the air and shooting the shit. kind of like a coffee shop in amsterdam except even lamer?

I'm serious too. If people are assholes I will have this moved to TMI adn mod the shit out of it.

Moodles - I can't explain the culture to you. Sorry. I'm totally fascinated by it though and am planning a stealth mission to a vape con to see if I can figure it out more. I will complete a full report when this happens.

In my heart I know I am going to take the plunge. I want to. It just seems so... complicated. *bookmarks thread*

x-post pretty much. They call themselves cloud chasers. *shrug*

Woof - I almost bought the cinnamon one by beard no. 5 at the weekend but went with the shop's own brand which is actually a little disappointing. I am currently waiting for this https://thesuicidebunny.net/shop/e-liquid/mothers-milk/ which has realy good reviews. Also, the old school tobacconist here carries their own line of custom blended juice by the guys that make that and I've had two from them that are really impressive.

when i vaped with an ilxor i didn't really feel a buzz but maybe it was cause the nicotine content was low?

they should make these with opium

I had a fancy vape about two years ago, but the central problem re: quitting smoking was that it reinforced the nicotine addiction and the "something in the hands/mouth" habit which made it so much easier to start smoking regular cigarettes after the second beer or so.

Saw a guy at the bar whose vaporizer looked like Sherlock Holmes's pipe, couldn't decide how I felt about that.

don't let the enthusiasts/hobbyists put you off. don't bother with the disposable ones. just buy one with a reasonable battery that you can refill. there is a part (the atomizer) that you have to change every once in a while. the most complicated thing is probably the shame of smoking it in public, honestly.

i got over it by reminding myself that it's better than dying. and by being as discrete as i can i suppose.

Xps

ha i visited house of vapes a few weeks ago - found the steampunk faux-sophistication (dark wood/leather/brass) finely balanced between tacky and crepey.

limited observations from my second hand exposure to this, pun intended

fedora dudes might get vapey but vape dudes don't seem to lean especially fedora.
in fact, in terms of intersections, i've been interested/surprised by the sort of gearhead-y element of the culture: the emphasis on what equipment you use, and the equipment modding subculture.
the real overlap with fedors dudes and other oddballs is the v much embarrassing phenomenon of these ppl wanting to totally make this thing their identity

my friend got this one i think:

http://www.joyetech.com/product/510CC.php

it's only a little larger than a normal cigarette and i think when she smokes it she almost pulls off looking cool? she is kind of a naturally cool person tho

the first time i went in that shoreditch vape shop (i think it had a different name then?) it was completely empty. the guy who worked there was sat at the counter twisting some special coil for his steampunk custom device. it was pretty intimidating and i left feeling it was all way too complicated and gearhead-y. recent visit was better though - they were quite helpful.

x-post - It's not really. I just started about 3 weeks ago? I'd been smoking an e-cig with disposable cartridges for a year and a half but realized how much money I was wasting. This is significantly cheaper. In those three weeks I've fallen down the internet rabbit hole and picked up a lot of stuff and it seems a lot less intimidating than it did at first.

Another thing I've been thinking of is that aside from the gross #vapegirls/models thing - it seems to be largely male dominated and that makes me want to infiltrate even more but not in a "sponsor me and I'll stick this pen between my boobs kind of way".

(I am embarrassed by all the typos in my warning up there but I am at work and trying to multitask)

So, what the hell is dripping? n.b. I'm perfectly happy with my simple set-up but, as I said earlier, the whole thing is totally fascinating and weird to me.

i love this stuff but hate the word 'vape'. isn't really another term i guess, though i say 'smoking ecigs' which is verboten because the militant guys want to distance it from smoking as much as possible due to all the legal shit going on.

btw anyone doing it for coolness, or not doing it for coolness is missing the point in a big sad way.

okay bye thread, if not weed then idgaf

― marcos,

otm. see ya

There's too much of this shit.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWgefxvnLiNw6K9yAYCc45C7bLdrcuTBSWPN0eE9cYyYPWLgDbIQ

i could prob advise on most stuff to do with this if ya want. got a good % of my smoker mates into it, and subsequently quitting real cigs.

top tip: make your own fluids, v easy & works out about 5% of the cost of buying it readymade.

mother's milk is good, thick strawberry cream stuff, though might not work in your set-up as it's a thick gloopy fluid.

there's always gona be cringey crap about any new thing, just gotta ignore it.

Let's all come together and start a very subtle, well-designed, and good e-liquid company. Maybe this is out million dollar idea!

one of my friends is into this and the way he is constantly sucking on that thing like a baby pacifier is a bit disturbing.

x-post - I have a kanger pro-tank II. It might not work in there? The other ones I have from that company do. Hmmmm. That would suck.

Sorry. I'm totally fascinated by it though and am planning a stealth mission to a vape con to see if I can figure it out more.

fully support this endeavour. and while we're at it can we resurrect ilx grand scheme of infiltrating awesomeness-fest

i dunno, i see this whole 'look at how ODD it looks' is just the shock of the new. remember a whole lot of pisstaking of people using mobile phones when they first became affordable round the mid 90s. seems like that. what i love most is when grandads get into it, totally ditching all the 'is it ok, does it look daft, what will people think' junk around it, just doing it because it's a great mostly harmless vice, love that mindset. more ecig grandads pls

xpost, ah yeah that tank should work. that whole high-end stuff (suicide bunny, cosmic fog, etc) works best in a sub-ohm tank but that's a whole next level of nerdery that i dunno if we should go into on here. my favourite of the SB liquids is madrina, the melon one. spent months trying to recreate it, almost almost there i think (got MM sorted though)

i support this call for vaping grandads and now need to start a bad called exactly that

ugh "band"

x-post - yeah see that's where I get confused. can you explain in simple terms what a sub-ohm tank is? Also, dripping? I have no desire to get any nerdier or more into this stuff but I do want to know about it.

I've found that vista vapors seems to be a really high quality place for lower priced liquids. I'm waiting for a couple from there right now. They also let you boost the flavor or make your own blends and they're very reasonably priced.

ENBB - Mother's Milk was one of the first I tried that wasn't generic cherry or licquorice or w/e. I def liked it - not wild on it, but it was good. I might order it again sometime, now I am an experienced vaper-of-the-world. Not wild on the tattooed babe cupping her breasts on the bottle.

but I'm moving away a bit from US liquids, just bcz it's cheaper to get British ones here.

Maybe I'll start mixing my own? Feel no pressing need right now

I do not understand that word of sub-ohm dripping and that.

ok in simple terms a sub ohm tank is a tank where the heating element gets really hot really quickly but without actually burning the cotton. it means your fluid is turned into vapour v fast so you get a big rush of smoke. the flavour is a lot more intense with these (and you get the whole silly 'cloud chasing' shit). it's not really a relaxing toke, but there's something really satisfying about it, esp with these expensive fluids.

few things to know:
- you need to lower the nicotine in the fluids you use for this. im down to 3mg for all my stuff now, anything above 6mg will prob make you feel queasy due to the amount of nicotine in each toke.
- you need a battery strong enough to use them. you want one that goes up to 30w really. you can go higher but don't bother at this stage.

i'd give it a go, some people really love it and it's interesting at least.

basic set-up: get the kanger subtank mini (about £25 i think), and an istick 30w (again about £25) and fluid that's high vg (anything above 70 vg to 30 pg is good to go)

Yeah NI bring the nerdery I am interested

(xp thank you!)

don't bother about dripping, again in basic terms the sensation is mostly the same as using a sub-ohm but with a lot more messing about. if you're really into trying different flavours in quick succession without having to replace your coil or finish a full tank of fluid then it's worth looking into but i wouldn't bother.

ps. with the subtank mini you want your coils to be 0.5ohm

yeah so much of the aesthetic around ecig stuff is crass and bleugh. the biggest uk site, totally wicked, has this shitty little devil logo, like some 90s skater dude crap. plus all the suicide bunny cartoon porn crap. i do think this stuff will level out though

totally baffled by this stuff tbh. so it's basically tobacco companies co-opting tech developed by stoners as a way to stay ahead of plunging customer-base/legal problems?

hate to big up the enemy but reddit forums are really good for learning about all this. they're surprisingly fedora-free, mostly hobbyists spreading the knowledge

wasn't developed by stoners as far as i know, and the majority of the (decent) kit/fluid companies are independent businesses

I'm telling you guys. This might be our big break! ;) That's one of the things that fascinates me. I want to figure out how it went down that route. The porny part is mystifying too and I don't really get all the cloud pics I see on IG. It's not sexy, it's just weird? I guess people will turn anything into a fetish though so I shouldn't be all that surprised at all.

I was, however, quite surprised that I couldn't find any evidence of Faygo flavored ejuice.

Yeah, most of the fluid companies and hardcore vapers seem to be very anti big tobacco.

Yeah I looked at reddit (I feel really deep down the rabbit hole) but they were all ohms this and coils that and wicks and builds and my eyes just kind of glazed over.

wasn't developed by stoners as far as i know

first time I saw a vaporizer was at least 15 years ago and it was a black box for smoking weed

so my confusion about this thread similar to marcos' basically

yeah it's a shame that the public image of this stuff is all fat guys in porn t shirts blowing big mounds of smoke. determined not to let normal people be put off by all that

I vaped weed before I vaped nicotine and I think that it's been a widely used stoner thing but I don't think it works by the same mechanism at all. I could be wrong there though. I just had a friend who had a week vaporizer and used it a couple times. I have no idea how it worked.

first time I saw a vaporizer was at least 15 years ago and it was a black box for smoking weed

ha, i had one of those in the 90s. this is different though, involves heating cotton soaked in fluid containing nicotine & flavouring where as my one was just obliterating weed in a vacuum, like a full-on microwave. similar in the way it involves heat but a different mechanism. the exact process that took off was developed in china about 10 or so years ago, but there have been various similar ideas floating around for decades, none of them based around cannabis really.

this is worth a read, about the guy who invented the modern successful version:

Hon’s own moment of revelation came when he woke up one morning after a night full of bad dreams and realised he had been wearing his nicotine patch while he was sleeping. He came to think that the only satisfactory way to deliver nicotine alone in a relaxing fashion which might enable one to give up conventional cigarettes was through some form of smoking.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/09/hon-lik-e-cigarette-inventor-quit-smoking-dual-user

huh weird

so did they get to the bottom of this or what? haven't heard of any hospitalizations/deaths lately

As of February 18, 2020, a total of 2,807 hospitalized EVALI cases or deaths have been reported to CDC from all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and two U.S. territories (Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands). Sixty-eight deaths have been confirmed in 29 states and the District of Columbia (as of February 18, 2020).

Emergency department (ED) visits related to e-cigarette, or vaping, products continue to decline, after sharply increasing in August 2019 and peaking in September.

National ED data and active case reporting from state health departments around the country show a sharp rise in symptoms or cases of EVALI in August 2019, a peak in September 2019, and a gradual, but persistent decline since then. Reasons for the decline are likely multifactorial and may be related to the following:

Increased public awareness of the risk associated with THC-containing e-cigarette, or vaping, product use as a result of the rapid public health response.

Removal of vitamin E acetate from some products.

Law enforcement actions related to illicit products.

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/02/26/vape-man-died-suffolk-county-massachusetts

it's just been bumped off the headlines by other stuff. coronavirus is the health-scare du jour

RIP Juul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-XH92Wie0U

Today I started vaping, mostly to try to eliminate tobacco from my life. I’m not yet sure how I feel about it. I typically smoke about 5-10 RYOs a day, but I use king size papers, so it’s probably more like 10-12. I buy high quality baccy (Peter Stokkebye), and I also don’t use a filter, mostly because I never really mastered how to get those things to stay in there.

Anyway, I bought a Vaporesso XROS and some, uh, juices - I hate that word - and while I’m enjoying it, I’m still having the craving to smoke. I chose the 6mg nicotine. Maybe I should have started higher? How long does it take to not want to smoke an actual rollie?

I think quitting will ultimately require some kind of cognitive behavioral therapy or something, because a lot of the reason I smoke is to think and get ideas for work, especially since I started working from home. I don’t smoke in my house, so going outside for a few puffs has become a very welcome way of breaking up my day. I know a doctor would suggest I just replace the tobacco with something else (“why not drink a La Croix outside?”), but I don’t think that will work. And vaping outside would feel just like drinking a La Croix out there, I think.

I’m also not wild about the flavors I chose, even after asking the woman at the shop to recommend me some that were less candy-like and fruity, more savory (and more like tobacco, or at least coffee). I got something called Amy, manufactured by Silverback. It tastes fine but it’s too sweet.

I’m tired of ingesting thousands of gross chemicals into my lungs, having stained fingertips, and coughing. Maybe I just need to give it more time. But maybe there’s just nothing like a damn cigarette?

Reposting answer from other thread:

yeah 6mg is pretty low, that's what the "light" cigarettes have

― groovemaaan, Monday, August 8, 2022 1:12 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago)

Ah, see, I think that's one of the culprits. Thanks. Any rule against topping off my current liquid with, say, an 18mg liquid to even it out?

Also, after doing some reading, I think I need more PG and less VG next time, for more of a cigarette feel and less of a viscous, fruity taste. Full disclosure I didn't know either of these terms 24 hours ago.

As a heavy smoker (~20 a day) I use 18mg, so yeah, you definitely need to go up from 6mg. I don't think there's any reason you can't put a different liquid in the tank but not sure how well the two will blend together, you might just end up with one resting on top of the other. As for PG/VG, I use 50/50 and that seems fine to me. I mostly just buy tobacco flavour juice, but also like cherry as it's a bit 'darker' in flavour than a lot of fruit varieties.

I haven't quit smoking but I exclusively vape at home now, whereas before I was smoking up the house all the time. I definitely like it, and there are times I like it more than cigarettes (tfw you have a raging hangover and feel sick, but you're addicted to cigs, oof). However, if my charge gets low or my coil's getting old, or if I'm really concentrating on something or anxious, then it absolutely doesn't hit the same and I find myself still wanting an actual cigarette to do the job.

I think going with the lowest nicotine available (3mg in juul pods, I was buying 3mg liquid before) helped me in the long run, cravings aren't really there if I run out of pods for a couple of days.

A friend who was at about the same pack a day of American Spirits as me went 6 then 3 and eventually 0mg liquid but kept vaping for a year on that before giving up the vape too.

This is all very helpful, thank you. I think I'm unusual in that I have no plans to eventually go down to 0mg or to stop vaping entirely. I just want to eliminate tobacco completely, and then just ride or die with nicotine forever, but it sounds like that won't be an overnight thing and I was probably dumb to think it would be. I'm just wary of adding one bad habit to an existing bad habit if I continue to vape but also still smoke. I think I'll bump up the nicotine to at least 12 or 18mg and try to keep an eye on the amount of rollies I smoke throughout the day, hopefully lowering that number bit by bit as I go.

I recently discovered an excellent low price tobacco flavour (88Vape Tobacco Nut). It's a quid per 10ml bottle and it's actually better than many 5-6 times the price I have tried. It's nothing special nor is it particularly moreish but it mixes perfectly with other tobacco flavours when you've run out of them and lasts ages on the same coil without going rank.

I'll look for it!

I don't know if it is available outside the UK. I buy US and Malaysian brands here, but I do recall reading something about how brexit might affect UK vape product exports if they are no longer compliant to some EU directive or some shit like that.

I find sweet desert flavours are good in small doses. It actually reduces my cravings for sugary snacks and has helped me lose a bit of weight recently. A pity the alcohol flavours don't have the same effect!

Update, in case anyone is interested: I started vaping 24mg nicotine salts and it has made all the difference. The craving for cigarettes is mostly gone. I'd stop short of calling it "miraculous," because I'm still craving (and enjoying) a morning RYO with my coffee, but the fact that I'm down from ten cigs a day to one feels really good. My goal is to ultimately eliminate even the morning cig, which I realize is more of a psychological barrier than a physical one (it's just so nice sitting outside with a cup of coffee and a smoke). Anyway, just here to praise the salts. Night and day difference for me from the flavored juice stuff I tried (though the bump in nicotine is obviously the bigger factor).

I ended a 20+ cigarette habit in 2018 by moving to Juul, and then to Vuse Alto, but Vuse's quality control got really bad and their prices jumped up to where it wasn't really economical anymore. In recent months I started using a refillable pod system (Vaporesso Zero S, which is fucking GREAT!). I've found a mint juice I like (purely mint, not minty menthol), but anyone have a reco for a good coffee juice? I tried one from VaporFi that starts out pretty good but is so subtle you can barely taste it after a bit of use.

20+ *year

congratulations Johnny!

I know this is a vape thread and not an "I quit smoking" thread, but can I just say? I can smell someone light up a cigarette from, like, a mile away now and it smells terrible. I hate thinking about how I was bathed in that smell for 26 years. Also, the not coughing all the time thing is a huge bonus.

it is kind of crazy, thinking back. mcdonald’s used to provide ashtrays!

Those aluminum things!`

Exactly

Pain in the ass getting atomizers.

I ordered mine from Ali baba a million years ago.

The stores keep selling me the wrong ones.

I like SMOK brand the best.

They work smoothly, and don't make me look like an asthmatic.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever) at 4:58 25 Feb 23

I know this is a vape thread and not an "I quit smoking" thread, but can I just say? I can smell someone light up a cigarette from, like, a mile away now and it smells terrible. I hate thinking about how I was bathed in that smell for 26 years. Also, the not coughing all the time thing is a huge bonus.

I switched from smoking to vaping in 2020 and never looked back. But its deveoped its own set of issues. I cough now, a lot, and I never did with cigs for some reason. I was also a "bum suck" smoker as we call it, like I'd puff on cigs but rarely inhale. With vapes you kid of have to cos of how it works, and now I find I am having dreadful nic fit headache/withdrawal urghiness cos I only vape like thrice a week (when drinking). In other words I think I'm now hooked on nicotiene and wasnt really, before? I know it sounds crazy.

I use juul and equivalents, but my fave flavovur, Pods+ iced pineapple, seems to to have disappeared much to my distress.

I find the majority of vape flavours gross - too sickly sweet, or weirdly milky, or chemical tasting. This was the only one I could stomach for long stretches. Annoying.

You didn't inhale cigarettes? idg the point otherwise lol

my buddy's 14 year old son is heavily addicted to vaping - they have to constantly search his room, and he'll purposely leave empty ones for them to find so they won't find his real stash. He has ADHD and apparently vaping really doesn't help with that condition at all

Vaping teens piss me off. I finally get the cigarette addiction beat by switching to vapes, and then almost immediately the US Gov't puts up all these hurdles FOR THE CHILDREN I have to jump through (particularly with mail order). I guess I could start going to local vape shops for pods/liquid, but those places seem corny and/or gross.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/18/beside-himself-with-craving-the-teenagers-hooked-on-vaping

Nice!!

I see a lot of youngish people buying disposables at the onestop and used ones are littered everywhere, this is deffo a boom time for the vape industry. And I noticed the UK brand Dinner Lady have expanded into the disposable market now, their Lemon Tart flavour is good btw. In the early days I was avowedly against this kind of thing and then I got addicted to nicotine again during the lockdown. Now I'm a VAPE ADDICT. Currently deciding if I should buy another Zenith II tank after my last one developed a leak after only 2 months of use.

How does everyone suddenly have these disposable vapes…yuck

I don't buy disposables but can understand why a lot of young people are buying them. Soaking and cleaning the tanks in between coils can be a pain in the arse. And young people don't like doing the washing up.

So bad for the planet /dad rant