haha i haven't listened proper yet but i DID find myself thinking '… this sounds like tears in heaven…'
― j., Monday, 15 June 2015 10:34 (eight years ago) link
revisited it with "tears in heaven" deliberately in my head and again nah
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
Whatever "Late to the Party" sounds like, it's about 15 minutes too long.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 June 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
it's so sweet!
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link
anyway
Will I curse things if I concede I've got high hopes for the new Ashley Monroe?
i also have high hopes, the title track is incredible
imo the weakest song here is the title track and it's still pretty charming. i would suggest the album is maybe compromised by her writing from a more general perspective but the most egregious example of this, "somebody to love," is completely gorgeous and precise, so lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
precision is what this album really lacks to me, i hear her singing about cardboard characters and simplistic archetypes (of places as well as people) and hardly any of the nuance that made STDP so special. it sounds like an album made by someone who knows that the mainstream know her via katy perry. sort of disappointed by how low it aims, mostly: lots of easy-to-hum songs, hardly any easy-to-love songs. "good ol boys club" and "fine" are slightly better i guess
― lex pretend, Monday, 15 June 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link
lol y'all made this sound like 13 "follow your arrow"s in a row and maybe that's why i'm surprised by how vivid and effective it is
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
anyway it sounds like an album made by someone who knows that the mainstream know her via katy perry is not what i get from this record at all and is really uh :\
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
even the more intimate songs are trite though, almost every song follows the same formula, i don't hear anything vivid here
― lex pretend, Monday, 15 June 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
and SO MUCH peppy repetition where STDP had so many lines that surprised me or undercut what had gone before or took the song in a different direction...like i feel you pretty much know where every song on this album is going from its title and first line
― lex pretend, Monday, 15 June 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
there are verses and choruses on this record, true
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
will say there's no image as flexible here as "blowin' smoke"
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 16:10 (eight years ago) link
OK, I've got my copy. Let's seem how many of you fuckers are wrong.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 June 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
i also think this record is great musically
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
It's certainly ... tasteful.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 June 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
"Pageant Material" is the first cornball thing she's written.
"This Town" is Miranda Lambert's "Famous in a Small Town" and "Fastest Girl in Town" but I love the arrangement.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 June 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
and using the Killers trick too
I never want to hear "Somebody to Love" again.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link
don't you want some 'somebody to love' to love?
― j., Monday, 15 June 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link
y'all are so weird
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 15 June 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
I just listened to it once in my workplace, but it doesn't seem as awful as everyone is telling. from a first listen (without too much attention, i know) i had a good impression of it. It's not a STDP, but it's probably very good.
― Nourry, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:47 (eight years ago) link
"family is family" is easily the worst thing here right? sets my teeth on edge
"cup of tea" is almost laughable, like you're really going to write this song AGAIN
"this town" does sound lovely but i feel that the group of artists musgraves comes from has portrayed small town life with so much more depth and nuance already
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 06:53 (eight years ago) link
"late to the party"is a really sweet song -- nice to hear a straight up love song from her
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 June 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
"pageant material" and "this town" are a bit of a speed bump but otherwise i think this is pretty strong -- not as good as same trailer but also enough of a sidestep that i think it works on its own terms
it's a sweet and graceful album
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 June 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
I've got a discussion on my FB wall with a few critics about McAnally, Clark, Musgraves, queer in country, the lapse into cuteness, etc.
"Miserable" is my favorite today.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 June 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
i didn't like the first few songs i heard - so much strummyness - so i'm just gonna let this happen when it happens
― j., Friday, 19 June 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link
j0rd otm.
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 19 June 2015 22:44 (eight years ago) link
If you set a low bar I guess she's cleared it, sure
― lex pretend, Friday, 19 June 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
think this album is straight up great ... i don't think it sounds like same trailer!! i wonder if people would be making such a connection if we didn't know it was written at the same time
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
i also can't understand all the hate... 'miserable', 'die fun', 'dime store cowgirl', 'good ol' boys club' are as great as some of the best moments of 'same trailer'. and listening her with willie nelson in the end is gold.
― Nourry, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
idk why i thought "pageant material" wasn't good, the first 4 tracks are literally perfect
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 June 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
I haven't read any "hate" for this album. It's tuneful and disappointing.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
it doesn't sound like same trailer. the arrangements are way more relaxed
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
Song for song, it's catchier and richer than ST. Like lex, I have a problem with how on the nose these songs are, how she (sill) relies on the cutes. "Cup of Tea" is the nadir. It’s 2016, rural America’s changing, and changing fast enough so that Musgraves can be less indebted to a wink-wink conceit.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
*still
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
one-listen take: i am quite relieved that this is nowhere near as bad or predictable as i had feared it would be from "biscuits," which may be the worst cut on the album other than maybe "cup of tea." i haven't been unusually struck by any of its lyrics the way i was on hearing same trailer for the first time, but the songs are still quite a pleasant listen and many of its arrangements are gorgeous. yeah, i probably won't like it as much as same trailer in the end (which is kind of a high bar anyway), but it's certainly not enough of a step down for me to be disappointed either.
the two bad songs i mentioned aside i was also way off the mark in thinking that the album would just be a bunch of safe retreads. yeah lyrically she does sometimes rely on some of the same tricks which is getting eyeroll-inducing/tiresome but idk, otherwise (esp. sonically) she's definitely venturing somewhere new for her. whether others have done better in similar territory is another story (obv they have) but it still sounds good so i find it hard to complain ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― dyl, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 23:15 (eight years ago) link
There's something happening in Biscuits that makes it work.
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
Anyone worrying that hipsters will start listening to Kacey Musgraves has never lived in America.
good to see P4k is gonna start reviewing country records:
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20679-pageant-material/
― alpine static, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 07:20 (eight years ago) link
A lot of country is about singing about what you aren't (or rather "ain't")
gross
― j., Wednesday, 24 June 2015 07:55 (eight years ago) link
circa-2004 hip-hop problem
wait hip-hop had a problem circa 2000?
feels like we've reached the point where if an artist is Important - which kacey certainly is - they need not actually be good, their existence is enough
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 08:42 (eight years ago) link
Blah article in which Mugraves and Jason Isbell save country music because bros and countries and cars
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/814-jason-isbell-kacey-musgraves-and-the-duality-of-the-southern-thing/
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
oh one of those
written by the exact person i expected
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
We were without one for a week. Overdue!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
all this stuff seems so prepackaged considering how poorly this narrative fits 'pageant material'
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, if anything the album feels a tad wan for playing it too safe.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
wait hip-hop had a problem circa 2000?feels like we've reached the point where if an artist is Important - which kacey certainly is - they need not actually be good, their existence is enough― lex pretend, Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:42 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lex pretend, Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:42 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The problem was that nerds were drooling all over Madvillainy instead of Petey Pablo and Shawnna. Guess this is like 2004 after all...
― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
Timbaland should get on this country thing.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
"white tee" is an incredible song, too -- and it has a narrative!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link