HANNIBAL on NBC seems amazing and therefore deserves it's own thread!

I think he was looking at will talking to himself

the heart-leg-cronenbergian thing: aaaaaaaaauuugggghhhhh

The priest was looking at Abigail and she was looking back. The brief allusion to Don Giovanni at the end of the episode, the constant talk of God and other worlds, makes it clear that Abigail was really there, but (and this is a wild oversimplification) as an angel or ghost. They seek vengeance, ya know.

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what if hannibal told cheesy jokes instead of implying cannibalism

omg

this is the best thing

the will graham reactions kill me

Okay that is fantastic.

I just watched the season premiere -- twice, to figure out what was going on. Some of it was intentionally confusing, I think: they only call Dr. Fell "Roman" in the first scene and then they don't explicitly show his death.

There were five time periods and besides the Izzard scenes I initially had a hard time telling between them:
RIP Zachary Quinto
Eddie Izzard eats himself.
In France, Hannibal meets Dimmond and kills Mr. & Mrs. Fell offscreen.
In the US, Bedelia meets Hannibal in her house.
In Italy, Hannibal poses as Fell and kills Dimmond.

Hannibal also kills a curator which isn't seen. I don't know what was up with Bedelia buying stuff and being taped.

I hope they keep this up. Great sound in this episode too.

Hannibal washing Bedelia's hair was practically an ASMR video.

it would be interesting to do a re-watch now that this show has gotten so impressionistic and dreamlike and everyone talks to riddles. it was so much more of your standard "dark and gritty" procedural in the beginning (like "this is my design" was the closest anyone got to cryptic dialogue lol).

and i kind of miss the more down-to-earth characters like the two comic relief FBI forensic guys. I still like where Hannibal is going but those two feel like they belong to a totally different show now.

*talks IN riddles, though 'to' works just as well for this show

yeah i just binge watched the first two seasons in the last month to get caught up, so the contrast with the new episodes is a little jarring. i do get the feeling that the mood so far is not necessarily going to hold for all of season 3 as the plot shifts and picks back up on some threads from last year.

does the firefly have its own diegetic derivation or is it it a moth reference from the hannibal multiverse?

given what i said upthread i figure the cannibalism discussion between hannibal and gideon (faux-lecter) not only explicitly is abt hannibal eating gideon but implicitly abt the hannibal show slicing off chunks from the canon and refashioning such in its own way.

like it doesn't just replicate, it modifies and recontextualizes whole chunks of lore and makes it tastier.

i know this is just fan theory, but i did that schtick abt alana wearing will's shirt after sexing and the macbeth quote about can't undo what is did and the show subsequently did both in altered fashion. it knows we're watching, and wants us to know it knows.

hannibal is sort of a dick in that he knows he's a copy. he just thinks he's an improvement on the previous versions.

like it doesn't just replicate, it modifies and recontextualizes whole chunks of lore and makes it tastier.

and makes it eat itself. keanu whoa.

he knows i'm onto him. my only hope is that i got enough insight to not be eaten, just yet.

i don't think i like this show much anymore

is it meant to be the idea that it gets all of the high-culture stuff gloriously and camply wrong? i still can't tell, and i'm bored of giving it the benefit of the doubt

"i was his TA at cambridge"

lol they need a British proofreader apparently

i suspect the other yurpean stuff is equally egregious, though i'd be out of my depth in trying to point out why

i mean it's ... i'm not v interested in whether hannibal is GOD or THE DEVIL. i don't think the posh stuff needs to be all that convincing, i guess. i think it's at least somewhat interesting that he's gone from satisfying his superiority over the petit bourgeois to eating the rich

idk about european geographical stuff but the art/music/literature references seem apt, I feel like there would be a lot more consistent criticism of them in reviews/online if they were regularly incorrect or off the mark

the Cambridge thing is def a considerable gaffe tho

I think what's most interesting about this season thus far is about how it's abandoned realism more than ever before - which is saying something! - in favor of pure dream imagery and logic (or illogic, in certain instances) and psychological/emotional insight

idk i think for example the human totem on the beach at the end of season one, that episode -- i think what's going on there is not 'realism' -- when the show was doing the beats of the crime procedural it put it to more interesting use in deforming realism than anything this season has managed so far -- i keep thinking of david fincher

Cambridge Poet is also ... like, there's more to it than 'cambridge doesn't have TAs'--he's like a 50-year out-of-date stereotype of what a poet via cambridge would be like. "feel like there would be a lot more consistent criticism of them in reviews/online if they were regularly incorrect or off the mark" -- that would assume a p literate / 'cultured' commentariat for tv that i just don't know if we have

haha that is a fair point, a decent amount of critics might not bother to check in the first place.

also see what you're saying re: stuff like the totem killing being more subversive by introducing surreal anarchic imagery into what was at the time at least somewhat close to a classic procedural, as a disruptor. I do really enjoy the nightmarish aspects being the blatant central subject of this season, though.

on a completely unrelated note - anyone getting bertolucci vibes from the visual style? specifically the conformist.

Hannibal himself has a certain superfluous cultural knowledge. In that it isn't rooted in anything. It's sort of a pan-continental idea of culture, where you would never guess exactly where he comes from originally. There is no sense of history, it's almost mythological with him. Every painting, every poem, every aria, is just a band-aid over a chasm of evil.

wd pay a low three-figure number to see mads and gillian do noel coward

bertolucci schmertolucci, the vibe i am getting watching will graham walk around this abandoned estate is 'mid-90s cd-rom adventure game'

hannibal's position re cultural capital is interesting--in silence (the book) he eats the liver with 'some fava beans and a big amarone', which was is entirely different from 'a nice chianti' -- the latter is something my mum would say. i have v little idea what a big amarone is.

i recall making the claim to "j." of this parish, sometime around the first season, that hannibal's ultimate villain would have to be someone with a food truck that sold (this dates the conversation rather) ramen burgers, or cronuts

haha i enjoy this more when i don't wait for the thread to spoil it, mads is straight up fire this episode

i haven't caught up on any new episodes yet so i am deeply perplexed why no one is talking about gillian anderson

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never change bro

bertolucci schmertolucci, the vibe i am getting watching will graham walk around this abandoned estate is 'mid-90s cd-rom adventure game'

lmao totally, esp with the birds flying in and out of the screen

I also haven't loved this show the way I loved it in season 1 (though 'love' is the wrong word for something that I kinda feel is bad for me), but I do apreciate that it evolved into something different. I can just rewatch season1 if I want more of it. Season 1 had this big sense of sadness and sorrow at it's core, which in season 2 morphed into anger and hate, and then further morphed into insanity halfway through. And it's still insane. But hopefully, it will develop further as the show goes on.

I'm only half way through the new ep but

- i now have to watch this show on sat morning! when I watched it at night the cryptic dreaminess made me sleepy & i ended up missing half the show from napping lol

- this season is way more cryptic & dreamy than ever & i def miss the procedural aspect that at least anchored the show in a kind of 'reality,' even if it was corny & forced at times

- love how they blended some Monster of Florence mythology into last week's ep, and are slowly swirling together touches from the Hannibal & Hannibal Rising novels as well. It's very loose and hazy but I dig it

- 90's cd rom game otm, loool

People bitching about geographic and real life cultural (as opposed to arts and gastronomy cultural) inaccuracy this season should probably never go to Baltimore.

y? do people not like pedantry there?

Well that too, but I meant that they may simply find it surprisingly unlike Ottawa.

Lol. The geography of season one was so weird. Hannibal can basically magically transport himself everywhere if he needs to murder someone.

maybe the had the motorcycle all along

it's a fair cop, i basically read those captions giving locations as AMERICA; MORE AMERICA; STILL AMERICA, so

Even in season 1, which indeed was more grounded and realistic than what has later happened, the show didn't strictly speaking make sense. It was always impressionistic. The only problem was when people tried to treat it as an actual whodunnit, and based their theories on things such as whether or not a certain solution was actually physically possible. Possibility never really had any bearing on what happened with the plot.

Man, I love this show. In a weird way, but it's just so so swaggeringly good.

but they are so very different goddamn it thomp xp

and not different like "these people live 50 kilometers away from the prior location, they have a distinct culture and accent" way. there are thousands of kilometers crossed in the North American Hannibal episodes!

I never caught where Abbigail's psychiatric hospital was. The east coast, near the rest of the case, or the midwest, near where she was taken in? The former makes no sense in that she wouldn't be transferred so far away from home and the main characters traveling there on the regular would be odd. The latter makes no sense due to the parts where others seemed to drop in. About 1k km between.

i still don't understand why everyone wanted to figure out where hannibal was in season one instead of where will was but w/e

xxp excuse me?!?! we don't cross fuckin kilometers here bub

I was translating for thomp because I am PRACTICALLY IN MINNESOTA