CocoRosie member goes to "Kill Whitey" Ironic dance parties and gets called out by brainwashed.com as racist

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this is getting away from the entirely noble thread purpose of clowning CocoRosie.

― Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, June 12, 2015 7:18 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wimmels, Friday, 12 June 2015 13:51 (eight years ago) link

Some weird ideas about hip hop itt

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link

I always thought KRS1 sounded like a dick on his faux Caribbean style chatting tracks. I can recall some member of London Posse saying as much in a 90's edition of HHC, he said something like "you come from London or The Yard and you can "chat", American rappers sound like wankers when they attempt it" or words to that effect.

xelab, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

i always thought he sounded cool. idk...

hongro strulkington (dog latin), Friday, 12 June 2015 14:25 (eight years ago) link

Just Ice pulled it off better imo

xelab, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link

persona is a reductive 'weed and guns' one that reinforces stereotypes about people from the Caribbean

this has it 'twisted' (am i doing it right??!)

idk, i don't listen to as much hip-hop as a lot of ilxors but the prism US pop culture, including but not limited to a fair amount of rap, sees the Caribbean has always struck me as #problematic. It's all too often a binary between tourist-key-chain-rasta-hat-weed-vibez positivity and mock-Yardie doggerel. Even where it isn't, to me, performing 'as a West Indian' rather than performing music influenced by the West Indies often has the effect of reducing a culture to a set of badly-imitated vocal tics.

I'm fairly relaxed about appropriation in general - it's often a healthy and good thing to borrow / imitate and music would be much less interesting without it. This has always annoyed me, though.

Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, 12 June 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link

The 90s stuff I was thinking about, beyond the QL clip upthread, was Black Moon, who iirc had a lot of 'bloodclaat / botzi bwoy' type lyrics. Also didn't intend for this to become a "thing," was just reminiscing after watching that Latifah video.

BTW, is Latifah dissing Boss in that third verse? Sure sounds like it.

Wimmels, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link

xp i think it's more about showing flashes of afrocentricity, from within the home (american) culture? and the binary (unity and violence, say) is present in that one too. so the salient thing about patois or whatever is not that it constitutes an attempt to appropriate or imitate (or give accurate representation), but that it momentarily decenters or translates a primary experience with which it shares something.

j., Friday, 12 June 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link

Also there were Jamaican communities within NYC and even artists like say Super Cat who moved to the US and collaborated with hip hop guys and I'm sure there was a lot of crossover in the club scene between hip hop and dancehall audiences, this isn't exactly like Mick and the Stones doing cod reggae

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 June 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link

xp That can be true in some cases. Rastafarianism is a unifying movement and referring back to pan-African themes that are more heavily developed in the Caribbean than a lot of other places can be very positive. I don't see that being the primary motivating factor in a lot of cases and, even where it is, it requires a level of engagement beyond surface cliches to not simply reinforce those surface cliches for the primary audience.

Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link

shit dude i ain't over here studying up on haile selassie, i think it's pretty plain?

but i think this goes for the less harmonious cultural transfer too.

j., Friday, 12 June 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link

a licky boom boom down

example (crüt), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link

all bets are off when canada

j., Friday, 12 June 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link

Toronto had a huge/significant Jamaican community and reggae scene fyi

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

think it's weird to take rappers to task (esp 80s/90s rappers) for quoting dancehall/adopting patois when rap was all about quotations and repurposing cultural signifiers AND the links between rap culture and Jamaican music culture go so very, very deep - right back to the beginning - with huge overlaps in audience, technological approaches, politics etc.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link

haha i know they do it's just… who can say what anything means in canada

j., Friday, 12 June 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link

the 70's was kind of the peak of bad faux-caribbean accents. you could easily make a 10-disc box set out of bad fake/cod reggae/calypso tunes by white artists. it was an unstoppable force and i'll never understand why nobody even gave it a second thought.

scott seward, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link

and lyrically, the vast majority of them were just as offensive as the accents.

scott seward, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link

that's not what's at issue tho

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link

maybe it's thanks to having grown up with parents who played lots of ub40 and the police, but i kinda like cod reggae. i love real reggae too of course, but there's something about bad white reggae i can't help sort of loving for quite different reasons.

hongro strulkington (dog latin), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link

ace of base were nazis

goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

eager to propagate the aryan race iirc

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link

All that she wants
Is another baby
And to heil Hitler

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link

tbf only one member of Ace of Base was a neo-Nazi.

The guy seemed genuinely mortified that he'd had any involvement with far-right politics afterwards.

Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

das racist is one of the worst rap acts ever

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

tbf only one member of Ace of Base was a neo-Nazi.

wait really???????????????

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulf_Ekberg

how's life, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

In 1998 some of his old songs were released on the compilation album Uffe was a Nazi!.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

how did I never hear about this

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

ok wow

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

maybe people knew how much you love them

goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link

I am mentally singing "Uffe was a Nazi!" to the tune of "Mary Had a Baby"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPK29mexIi0

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link

Learned about it from some Mountain Goats stage patter.

how's life, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link

I thought this was one of those well-known facts!

put a skronk ornette (wins), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link

tbf I've aggressively ignored any and all biographical information about Ace of Base and just bumped those original singles

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link

i just put on the the tom tom club at the store and i totally forgot about the song "bamboo town".

scott seward, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link

xp often the best strategy

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 12 June 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link

Ace of Base (feat. Boyd Rice & Death in June) - "All that She Wants (Is Another Nazi)"

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

LOL

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

memories

This sounds like the worst thing

maura, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link

"What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat.

how's life, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

Uffie was a nazi

The Reverend, Saturday, 13 June 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0SuIMUoShI

how's life, Saturday, 13 June 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link

four months pass...

CocoRosie: As charming as ever.

The loft used to belong to Bianca, and it is still filled with her art work, including a photograph of a brown dildo encased in purple quartz. (“I’m interested in exploring black-male sexual stereotypes,” she said, laconically.)

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 19 October 2015 12:32 (eight years ago) link

this is self-parody at this point

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 19 October 2015 13:09 (eight years ago) link

haha it's like she's seen the classic nabisco post
Why does Europe love CocoRosie so much?

some dude, Monday, 19 October 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link

"Bianca, who had concluded that the ancestry of her and her sister is part Cherokee, “but more Syrian than anything else,” said that she was going to wing it. “I really like to surprise myself.” "

of COURSE she is Cherokee

akm, Monday, 19 October 2015 13:47 (eight years ago) link

“The Camargue’s a landscape with just the right amount of darkness and death,” Bianca said. “Pale-wheat land and gray skies, the migration of storks in December, this Gypsy fête where they take the black Madonna into the sea. But it’s also harsh and ugly, trashed with lying-around junk. I’m in love with West Texas, and this part of France is completely Texan, ancient cowboys with leathery skin and light-blue eyes.” She went on, “We’ve started this thing called white-trash Sundays, where we burn wooden palettes, have our way with tractors. At night, the baby screech owls scream for food—it’s the most demonic sound I’ve ever heard.”

“We record in our courtyard at dusk,” Sierra added. “The birds are leaking into every song.”

Objectum-sexuals

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 19 October 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link


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