CocoRosie member goes to "Kill Whitey" Ironic dance parties and gets called out by brainwashed.com as racist

Cross pollination is fine, fake patois probably isn't if you have no direct link to the Caribbean - though this is getting away from the entirely noble thread purpose of clowning CocoRosie.

so nobody can do accents anymore, b/c they are "appropriation," and that's always bad? i'm sure there's a smarter response to that kind of idiocy, but all i've got at the moment is "fuck you."

sry for fighting humorlessness with humorlessness but sometimes a man's got to step up

how badly do you really want to do jamaican patois?

/want/ to do? i'm doing it right now, bwoy.

"Probably isn't fine" = "always bad"?

How exactly is what he said incorrect? That shit is often disrespectful.

Adopting the persona of someone from a different culture whose lived experience is not yours is rarely a good look - particularly, as if often the case, that persona is a reductive 'weed and guns' one that reinforces stereotypes about people from the Caribbean. It is appropriation by definition though whether that is always bad is open to debate.

/want/ to do? i'm doing it right now, bwoy.

well, that is certainly doing it badly. sharivari otm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XD5MTMACg

persona is a reductive 'weed and guns' one that reinforces stereotypes about people from the Caribbean

this has it 'twisted' (am i doing it right??!)

this is getting away from the entirely noble thread purpose of clowning CocoRosie.

― Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, June 12, 2015 7:18 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some weird ideas about hip hop itt

I always thought KRS1 sounded like a dick on his faux Caribbean style chatting tracks. I can recall some member of London Posse saying as much in a 90's edition of HHC, he said something like "you come from London or The Yard and you can "chat", American rappers sound like wankers when they attempt it" or words to that effect.

i always thought he sounded cool. idk...

Just Ice pulled it off better imo

persona is a reductive 'weed and guns' one that reinforces stereotypes about people from the Caribbean

this has it 'twisted' (am i doing it right??!)

idk, i don't listen to as much hip-hop as a lot of ilxors but the prism US pop culture, including but not limited to a fair amount of rap, sees the Caribbean has always struck me as #problematic. It's all too often a binary between tourist-key-chain-rasta-hat-weed-vibez positivity and mock-Yardie doggerel. Even where it isn't, to me, performing 'as a West Indian' rather than performing music influenced by the West Indies often has the effect of reducing a culture to a set of badly-imitated vocal tics.

I'm fairly relaxed about appropriation in general - it's often a healthy and good thing to borrow / imitate and music would be much less interesting without it. This has always annoyed me, though.

The 90s stuff I was thinking about, beyond the QL clip upthread, was Black Moon, who iirc had a lot of 'bloodclaat / botzi bwoy' type lyrics. Also didn't intend for this to become a "thing," was just reminiscing after watching that Latifah video.

BTW, is Latifah dissing Boss in that third verse? Sure sounds like it.

xp i think it's more about showing flashes of afrocentricity, from within the home (american) culture? and the binary (unity and violence, say) is present in that one too. so the salient thing about patois or whatever is not that it constitutes an attempt to appropriate or imitate (or give accurate representation), but that it momentarily decenters or translates a primary experience with which it shares something.

Also there were Jamaican communities within NYC and even artists like say Super Cat who moved to the US and collaborated with hip hop guys and I'm sure there was a lot of crossover in the club scene between hip hop and dancehall audiences, this isn't exactly like Mick and the Stones doing cod reggae

xp That can be true in some cases. Rastafarianism is a unifying movement and referring back to pan-African themes that are more heavily developed in the Caribbean than a lot of other places can be very positive. I don't see that being the primary motivating factor in a lot of cases and, even where it is, it requires a level of engagement beyond surface cliches to not simply reinforce those surface cliches for the primary audience.

shit dude i ain't over here studying up on haile selassie, i think it's pretty plain?

but i think this goes for the less harmonious cultural transfer too.

a licky boom boom down

all bets are off when canada

Toronto had a huge/significant Jamaican community and reggae scene fyi

think it's weird to take rappers to task (esp 80s/90s rappers) for quoting dancehall/adopting patois when rap was all about quotations and repurposing cultural signifiers AND the links between rap culture and Jamaican music culture go so very, very deep - right back to the beginning - with huge overlaps in audience, technological approaches, politics etc.

haha i know they do it's just… who can say what anything means in canada

the 70's was kind of the peak of bad faux-caribbean accents. you could easily make a 10-disc box set out of bad fake/cod reggae/calypso tunes by white artists. it was an unstoppable force and i'll never understand why nobody even gave it a second thought.

and lyrically, the vast majority of them were just as offensive as the accents.

that's not what's at issue tho

maybe it's thanks to having grown up with parents who played lots of ub40 and the police, but i kinda like cod reggae. i love real reggae too of course, but there's something about bad white reggae i can't help sort of loving for quite different reasons.

ace of base were nazis

eager to propagate the aryan race iirc

All that she wants
Is another baby
And to heil Hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XD5MTMACg

tbf only one member of Ace of Base was a neo-Nazi.

The guy seemed genuinely mortified that he'd had any involvement with far-right politics afterwards.

das racist is one of the worst rap acts ever

tbf only one member of Ace of Base was a neo-Nazi.

wait really???????????????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulf_Ekberg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/ace-of-base-nazi-past-lyrics_n_3148797.html

In 1998 some of his old songs were released on the compilation album Uffe was a Nazi!.

how did I never hear about this

ok wow

maybe people knew how much you love them

I am mentally singing "Uffe was a Nazi!" to the tune of "Mary Had a Baby"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPK29mexIi0

Learned about it from some Mountain Goats stage patter.

I thought this was one of those well-known facts!

tbf I've aggressively ignored any and all biographical information about Ace of Base and just bumped those original singles

i just put on the the tom tom club at the store and i totally forgot about the song "bamboo town".

xp often the best strategy

Ace of Base (feat. Boyd Rice & Death in June) - "All that She Wants (Is Another Nazi)"

LOL