privilege as a meme

drunk is the perfect time to finally explain urself

It's fine if you want to make a public showing of throwing away your power, but don't confuse that with actually empowering others.

― intheblanks, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 16:11 (Yesterday) Permalink

Wasn't this being done anonymously

I guess my objection to the logic of quitting is that nothing you do is actually "neutral" including abdication of responsibility which often merely increases strength of status quo

^^ this was the point kieron gillen made in a blog post i read today, will see if i can find it--that in essence the people who would obstain are gonna self select as actually people who have considerably more subversive (such as they are) points of view while those aligned with the status quo would continue apace.

the okay lack all conviction

That's the one I posted, Hoos (I do also have things to add, but busy during work)

oh sorry how have i managed to do that like 3 times in the last week smh

Follow-up

LOL the cherry on top of this, people writing response articles, actually now clogging the signal with noise about how they should maybe not be making noise.

Not going to read any of these out of pity for the writer.

This is like the intellectual/socially-respected equivalent of street miming.

things white men should never say to disney brides

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/ok_so_what_would_convince_you_that_racism_is_real/

that is the worst thing i've read all week

^

Really? I happily read it twice but that might be because I'm considering how firm to be w my boyfriend about his racist, misogynistic, homophobic cracks and how he always wants to "discuss" these things with me.

i liked the part where the white girl was like "oh so because of privilege i'm not allowed to have an opinion on anything ever" because that's pretty much how every IRL conversation i've had with a white person aboot white privilege has gone down

what's wrong with being a master p fan

The woman in the story didn't make any "racist, misogynistic, homophobic cracks."

internalized ideas about race and basing your life off those assumptions kind of harder to "debate" than outright racism though. which are already pretty fucking bad

read this piece instead: Rolling 2015 Thread on Race

^that's much better piece

"Eventually I felt good enough about where we’d gotten, the progress we’d made, to go upstairs and sleep with her."

That piece is much better if you skip the whole first half imo

You mean if you pretend the guy's not a self-aggrandizing, terminally head-up-own-ass piece of shit?

"It was a summer of fucking and civic unrest, and of thinking about 1981."

tbh wd have to read salon piece more carefully to really disentangle the things in it i disliked (& unable to put in effort right now)

it’s not the predicament in general he’s talking about, which is important topic, but rather his personal articulation of it

for one thing (admittedly from just cursory reading), his angst as written seems to revolve too much around his own carefully constructed/ protected/ threatened/ narcissistic self-image (including cinematic parallel & identification with obama, no less, re their ‘white woman’ relationship issues)
rigorously distinguishing himself from what he calls ‘“real” white people’— unenlightened racist masses, flattened into crude undifferentiated stereotype, all of whom he keeps hermetically quarantined, away from his life & any dialogue (until his encounter with alien white girl, who somehow got past the "gatekeepers")

i mean there’s some self-deprecatory self-awareness in saying “somebody who didn’t get radical race shit, somebody who never would have made her way past the gatekeepers and into my little precious elitist smartypants cool white kid circles”— but he really means that, too

piece linked by djp & this one address v similar terrain, but by their conclusion, one seems to me an instance of necessary, difficult, painful, imperfect, yet productive/constructive dialogue; whereas the other seems to foreclose that possibility, to discount it as not worthwhile if imperfect (is too hasty & maybe eager to do so-- maybe safer/easier to keep gates closed)

You mean if you pretend the guy's not a self-aggrandizing, terminally head-up-own-ass piece of shit?

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:04 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're way more insufferable on here because you're all these things but wouldn't even dream of trying to cross a bridge.

anyway it seems to me like the main reason a piece like that would draw ilx ire is because of narcissism of cool-white-dude differences.

^^^^

not the only reason but his downness is vmi evidence

drash otm

I got to the Master P diss, thought, "This guy is corny," scrolled down and saw that it was the "Go the Fuck to Sleep" guy, who came off as such a terminal d-bag on the Combat Jack show.

I wonder if he had sex with that woman? Seems like he should have mentioned it a few dozen times in the article if so.

it's ok to talk about the sex you have

It's not ok to bully and belittle your girlfriend under the guise of "social justice education."

"They both looked at me like I was that dude Paris and they were the goddesses laying claim to the golden apple that started the Trojan War."

Yeah, a mythic beauty contest, cool comparison.

Even more than that shit nothing in the piece indicates he thought his gf might have something valuable to say on anything ever. She was just a "not quite there" well meaning white girl to him

It's not ok to bully and belittle your girlfriend under the guise of "social justice education."

― Treeship, Friday, July 10, 2015 2:40 AM (21 minutes ago)

let alone write a shitty thinkpiece using her as an illustration of everything wrong with "white people" while slyly suggesting in basically every paragraph that none of those things apply to you, the enlightened superior man

yes, treeship otm

& j.d. too

yes

DJP's piece was rly rousing though, ty - ofc in the uk the racial issue is very slightly complicated by high proportion of indian subcontinent minorities & history of anti-indian anti-pakistani sentiment but despite a national aspiration towards racial blindness the principles probably aren't much different in practice and there is so much complacency in white or majority-white liberal circles - including my own complacency (assuming london's already-shaky standards of racial unity are mirrored throughout the country, for one), which is where ilx comes in

mordy otoh did a rather wonderful job there of finding the most odious social justice dude he could - to articulate what point, i simply cannot tell ;)

totally banged that hot racist chick tho lol

She was just a "not quite there" well meaning white girl to him

got the vibe of Tom Cruise dressing down a girlfriend for arguing with a Clear

that thing white ppl do (in bed)

how did you know I pretend to be Tom Cruise?

Posted this profile in the New Yorker thread but realized it could go here. It's a quintessential mid-2010s story from hashtag/disruption protests to a Colbert appearance:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/05/something-borrowed-wilkinson

cathy hong park's response was a useful corrective imo

Science again tells us what we know:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/study-white-people-react-to-evidence-of-white-privilege-by-claiming-greater-personal-hardships/

hmmph. i don't see an issue with survey respondents acknowledging privilege while pointing out that race is not the only axis. e.g. to imagine an extreme case: "poor, uneducated, white transman with disability acknowledges white privilege while claiming personal hardships" does not strike me as cause to rush to the barricades.

study design seems willfully obtuse wrt intersectionality but hey full disclosure i'm nominally white

wouldn't intersectionality be recognizing "hey, I'm poor so I have hardships, but poor black people (intersection!) have it harder"?

hey black people might have it hard but I have depression!

cool convo. deep