sun kil moon?

the worm turns

hah! ian cohen gotta be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed right now

don't bite the hand that feeds Mark! lol

Even setting all that aside, if Mark Kozelek had spent the last year and a half playing his music and—to reference a lesson he supposedly learned from his father in Benji's "I Love My Dad"—minding his own business, Universal Themes would still be a disappointing record.

In what sense has he not been minding his own business? zing rejected.

"Cry Me a River Williamsburg Sleeve Tattoo Blues" is a funny title in search of a song, while "This Is My First Day and I'm Indian and I Work at a Gas Station" is an unfunny title in search of a delete key.

this one, however

haha!

Pretty much agree with the review but portraying the majority of his other albums as "spotty" (as if it were the consensus) seemed undeserved!

So, I guess we should be listening to that new Jason Derulo album instead?

One of the songs is even described as being "breezy and Balearic".

http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/399eqn/pitchfork_changes_sun_kil_moon_review_after/

man ppl really offended by something pitchfork has done multiple times

p4k is everything if i cannot trust them I am lost :'(

also the comps of like, "kanye's an asshole why dont they hate him too om gosh" are hysterical

like...folks...maybe the music's just really bad /and/ he's a complete twathammer

People also not really grasping the point in the review where he mentions that it's tough to separate the social media incidents from the music. Failing to conflate those things would be an issue if they weren't, you know, literally addressed in the lyrics of multiple songs. That's like saying "judge the blogger separate from the personal blog posts!"

Actually I misread a little, they were more commenting on how the opinion of the record is skewed based on what social media is saying about HIM, but it's still much more relevant than perhaps otherwise since the record is so personal.

p sure the opinion of the record is skewed by Mark personally insulting a Pfork staff member in public

altho iirc I believe Xgau still gave Take No Prisoners a good review after Reed called him a toefucker (Reed's onstage standup comedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kozelek's, obviously)

well, Xgau gave it a C+, maybe that's the equivalent here idk

http://www.spin.com/2015/06/mark-kozelek-feminist-guilt-sun-kil-moon/

would be kinda like giving up church for Lent with this new one

really misleading to include skolnik in that tweet roundup - while she said people should stop making "excuses" for kozelek, she made clear she was arguing for people to ACKNOWLEDGE kozelek's actions while subjectively deciding how they feel about and engage with the art and artist, not calling for a boycott.

it's really frustrating when people are determined to keep things at "how bad does a person have to be before we remove them from the history of pop culture" and refuse to acknowledge perspectives that aren't coming from a such a faux-objective puritan place. "i'm not going to stop listening to kozelek because there are worse things in the world than a bully" - like, cool! but don't pretend that's what everyone's asking you to do

Well to be fair she did frame it as more of her debating with herself whether she should feel guilty for not also boycotting Kozelek music. Not that anyone is necessarily putting direct pressure on her or other fans to do so as well.

most perplexing thing to me is that she didn't enjoy Big Sur, how is that possible

xpost still sucks to ignore someone's larger point to establish a peanut gallery of people saying it's bad to like red house painters

also you can't say something like this is merely self-debate and not a defense against pressure

Contemporary female writers have also denounced the man and declared an end to their fandom. But I’ve hesitated to pick up my own torch simply because I’m not ready. I’m too busy avoiding eye contact with the men I perceive to be a more real, immediate threat.

"His music still means a lot to me" is one thing, "I guess you all don't have to worry about being assaulted!" is another.

How can the same person who writes such heart-in-hand poetry as “Have you forgotten how to love yourself?” and “If love is like stone / Yours was mine through to my bones” be capable of spewing such despicable vitriol about women?

lol

haha yeah I was scratching my head at considering those "romantic" sentiments

like, both lines are kind of accusatory

or resentful

guess I should sell this now

Can I buy it for not that much?

sorry. tbh I could never sell it for that much because it truly is not worth that much. So I'll probably just keep it.

No worries. I imagine I'll nab one somehow someday.

hey I also have that

well good for YOU

haha

the vinyl is worth something, all the RHP or SKM records on vinyl are ridiculously priced.

4AD is reissuing the RHP stuff I thought. Think I heard that Songs for a Blue Guitar pressing is bad at one point?

yeah the RHP stuff has been (box set sold out immediately); songs has been issued on vinyl, didn't buy it. The only stuff I have is the original Ocean Beach 10" and the Duk Koo Kim single (which is a better version than the one on the SKM album).

there was that box set, but you can pre-order those albums separately or as a bundle here

actually the 'bundle' is not available, but it looks like they are taking individual pre-orders

nah, actually you can order the bundle too. it's different from the box in that the vinyl is black or something. looks like they ship in August.

I've never really listened to Down Colorful Hill until this week (wondering if I need to get any of these reissues), and this line from Scott's review is just too otm

12 years ago Mark Kozelek was duking it out with Throwing Muses and Lisa Germano to see who could be the most miserable American act ever signed to the tears ‘n’ fears 4AD label. The lead track on RHP’s debut was all about the impossible task of becoming 24 years old. If Sun Kil Moon is essentially grown-up folk-rock music for ex-miserablists and lacks a certain unhinged recklessness that RHP had at times it’s none the worse for it.

I do like Throwing Muses and love Lisa Germano, however.

xp review of Ghosts of the Great Highway, that is

"miserable" seems like a wildly offtm adjective to describe Throwing Muses tbh

yeah, true

I'd say Down Colorful Hill sounds like Lisa Germano singing worse lyrics over slow Throwing Muses guitar, though