sun kil moon?

i think calling him 'cranky' is pretty generous

is it all that difficult to wrap your head around an artist being really good but also being a total asshole? why isn't this a tale as old as time

(obv many ppl are dropping into this thread just to say dude sucks, but rest of yall don't need to wring your hands so hard)

Well part of my problem is that he's making headlines for his bad behavior, then people want to see what his music sounds like so they listen to "The Possum" and wonder why he has any fans. And I'm over here saying "Wait! This isn't the same dude that I became a fan of- try Young Love instead!"

And then they can say "Oh so he's an asshole you can hum along with at times."

y'know, like Chris Brown

I don't see why anybody would want to engage in the sort of hairsplitting which characterizes most "good artist/bad person" debates when the artist himself seems to get a perverse thrill out of tying the hairs back together at the earliest opportunity

is it all that difficult to wrap your head around an artist being really good but also being a total asshole? why isn't this a tale as old as time

I don't think people are having trouble "wrapping their head around it" so much as taking the time to call out abusive public behavior. The internet and era of instance democratized communication is not a tale as old as time, try wrapping your head around that.

Usually we find out about artist behaving bad after I've heard a bunch of their stuff, often years after it, often years after that person is dead even. I imagine if John Lennon was pulling abusive stuff in the age of the internet he would be called out on it on a daily basis.

they have to phrase it as if everyone is a naive idiot pearl-clutching in shock rather than simply expressing disgust and disappointment, otherwise "i am capable of separating the art from the artist" would be a piddly thing to crow about

is this guy an alcoholic maybe?

i've been watching Vikings, and i think that he is a Viking maybe?

in his sleep maybe

Oh boy, sleaze! That's where he's a viking

he was well known to be in rehab as a teenager (for drugs) but i've never known alcohol be an issue with him, he's just been kind of a dick forever; it's more that his stature has risen to a point where people pay attention to his dickishness.

was he writing sadcore variations on g'n'rs "get in the ring" in 1995?

probably, they're just way more buried in metaphor

like, maybe he was always a meanie, but i'm still waiting for someone to actually pull up some notable quotes - let alone songs - from his first decade where he bullies people by their full name

No it's definitely more of a thing now. As far as I know the extent of his dickishness in the past was simply giving people in the audience a hard time.

like, maybe he was always a meanie, but i'm still waiting for someone to actually pull up some notable quotes - let alone songs - from his first decade where he bullies people by their full name

katy

lol sorry that is a deeply uncharitable reply

I was 100% onboard with him calling a bunch of hip urban 'new south' concertgoers hillbillies, because I hate Raleigh

lol u realize that probably half the people in that room were from CH/Durham/Carrboro right

is this guy an alcoholic maybe?
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, June 5, 2015 1:44 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've been watching Vikings, and i think that he is a Viking maybe?
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, June 5, 2015 1:53 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Obv I don't know him just his behavior um recalls some ppl that I have known I guess

Yeah, it sounds like some kind of radical transparency that probably spells trouble.

xp I understand exactly what you mean it resembles ppl floating around but not quite hitting the bottom

Kozelek is a noted boxing fan – on This Is My First Day … he recounts spending $17,000 on tickets for the recent Mayweather/Pacquiao fight, the result of Benji selling, he says, “enough copies that I’m living good!”

honest question: why has this guy's stature risen? what's different from before? does he go on late shows and play coachella? has p4k been going full circle jerk on him?

Benji got the rare 9.x pfork rating which I think turned a lot of new folks onto him

Oh fuckoff!

"Pitchfork- The Tastemaker!"

Benji is good

lol u realize that probably half the people in that room were from CH/Durham/Carrboro right
― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Saturday, June 6, 2015 12:14 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

... really though, I'm just rationalizing what is at heart a pretty straightforward position: audience-baiting = generally cool, sometimes necessary & often funny; weird public airing of grievances = morally dubious & uncomfortable to watch

** I am okay with that Spoon diss track where they call out the A&R guy who burned them ('How does it feel to go home & not be honest with anyone?' is a great line) but my opinion might change if they had called it "Lafitte, Suck My Cock"

Kozelek has the rare distinction of making Morrissey look classy

Yeah no I think that might actually be going too far

Sorry Koz, you're no Moz

until just now I'd never actually looked at/listened to the lyrics to that song about the War On Drugs

they read almost exactly like Anal Cunt lyrics

I just gave benji a try and this is not for me. The first track was nice enough but even then I didn't want to hear autobiographical stuff. Based on my interest of Sun Kil Moon revolving around only 2 songs (the ones I posted two days ago), it shouldn't come as a surprise that I can't get into this album at all. Whatever

the guitar sound on Universal Themes is definitely a *choice*, but I don't understand why anyone would want to have that dave matthews farty guitar pickup sound

I just gave benji a try and this is not for me. The first track was nice enough but even then I didn't want to hear autobiographical stuff. Based on my interest of Sun Kil Moon revolving around only 2 songs (the ones I posted two days ago), it shouldn't come as a surprise that I can't get into this album at all. Whatever

― The Once-ler, Monday, June 8, 2015 2:44 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You might as well give April a shot.

somewhere i've got a digital copy of a mark kozelek radio performance from... '88? '89? i'll try to find it

I'd definitely love to hear that.

april is the best kozelek record

April is definitely excellent. the last Kozelek album that i played to death.

the worm turns

hah! ian cohen gotta be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed right now

don't bite the hand that feeds Mark! lol

Even setting all that aside, if Mark Kozelek had spent the last year and a half playing his music and—to reference a lesson he supposedly learned from his father in Benji's "I Love My Dad"—minding his own business, Universal Themes would still be a disappointing record.

In what sense has he not been minding his own business? zing rejected.

"Cry Me a River Williamsburg Sleeve Tattoo Blues" is a funny title in search of a song, while "This Is My First Day and I'm Indian and I Work at a Gas Station" is an unfunny title in search of a delete key.

this one, however

haha!

Pretty much agree with the review but portraying the majority of his other albums as "spotty" (as if it were the consensus) seemed undeserved!