sun kil moon?

I think Kozelek fans are quite divided on what the best stuff is. Could never get into much beyond the first Sun Kil Moon album. I might try a few more things but for me nothing beats the atmospheric, obsessive emotional outpouring of the first few Red House Painters releases. That stuff is fucking magic. I think in a few ways his style was almost reversed, kinda like David Byrne's singing voice.

I love Red House Painters as well. I just felt it made more sense to link some nice Sun Kil Moon songs to show the contrast it has to his recent stuff under the same name. I feel like he should have moved onto his third moniker now given how different he sounds now.

oops meant to delete that first "now"

I think in a few ways his style was almost reversed, kinda like David Byrne's singing voice.

Legitimately curious about this sentence. Do you mean his songwriting, or his actual voice?

In the case of Byrne, just his voice. It became very relaxed. I prefer Byrne's nervy voice in early Talking Heads but I think in his later style he occasionally did some beautiful things he never would have done before. Like in The Forest.

For Kozelek the newer stuff sounds more easy going, even when sad and he might be meticulous about the writing it still sounds off the cuff by comparison.
I probably said this above but on a lot of the earliest RHP stuff, everything sounds like it's been bottled up for ages then all let out. In songs like "Medicine Bottle", every breath sounds precious.

In early Sun Kil Moon times he talked about making his lyrics more ambiguous as opposed to the diary style of RHP but from the way people are talking it sounds like he's more diaristic again.

I see what you mean now, thanks for the reply!

It's interesting that Robert allows the possibility that Kozelek may be being meticulous in his writing because ... I find it very difficult to believe that's the case (though may very well be possible).

pretty much "diary diarrhea" in the new one

I feel like he should have moved onto his third moniker now given how different he sounds now.

He's going by Ehhhhhh, Really, Mark? now

"is this guy a serious alcoholic maybe? this behavior is giving off a vibe that is familiar to me"

he was certainly sent to rehab when he was young but more likely for drug things, not sure. I'm relatively positive i've seen him drinking in SF but I've never seen him drunk but I also haven't seen him out in years.

I still like his stuff through Leaves. Don't get the Benji love and don't plan on listening to this. Haven't liked him live since RHP split anyway.

yeah this is super disappointing, perils from the sea was such a tremendous case for his new songwriting style but benji only had 1 song that touched anything on that record ('i saw the film the song remains the same') and this record doesn't seem to have anything going for it at all

I always loved 2 old tracks by Sun Kil Moon. I dunno why everything else doesn't even come close to lifting me up like these 2. I guess they're just an anomaly. You might like them Οὖτις

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxBRqhIHsw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjA3EbKsl4E

hmm yeah I like that Pancho Villa one

Here's a fun RHP rocker, and latter day RHP basically just feels indistinct from SKM/Kozelek solo anyhow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIamI0Va7g

Just trying more to bring attention to ideal Kozelek. So many people think his current schtick is somehow representative of overall output.

yeah but isn't the problem that his current live set relies heavily on his recent output

Well sure, but I'm just trying to show that Benji-era doesn't represent the vast majority of his otherwise stellar discography.

Nice track Evan. I like the My Bloody Valentine at 4:40 in Between Days

Yeah I always got that vibe from it as well.

"Between Days" is so great. a "Dancing Days" pastiche that somehow greatly surpasses the original

fuck is with this guy

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/04/i-interviewed-mark-kozelek-he-called-me-a-bitch-on-stage

He comes off like he's just been to some PUA asshole's negging seminar and is trying out his new-learned skillz

some unchill maroon

e harvey called him "indie rock's lester burnham" and it's a sad, well-fitting shoe

He comes off like he's just been to some PUA asshole's negging seminar and is trying out his new-learned skillz

― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:19 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea or he just watched this sequence a bunch of times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbanWHx5AFQ

god that movie is so bad

Feel a bit bemused that anyone is surprised he is a * dick *.

god that movie is so bad

― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:48 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u r bad

"Surprise" doesn't seem remotely like the accurate verb to describe people's reaction to this

Or adverb WHATEVER

pretty weird self-destructo thing happening though -- w/o all of this hoohah, the dude would be coasting on some of the best reviews of his career (maybe even the best sales?).

Adjective, right? Embarrassing but I'd feel worse if I was pretending to be more cynical than people who think kozelek's trip is an increasing bummer

Hearing from a lot of people that he is very nice 1 on 1 and nobody is quite sure why he chooses to come off this way in a public setting.

More likely to get punched in the face 1 on 1

otm not as easy to say "It's a performance! I'm doing art!" when it's a 1 to 1 conversation

what happened to my kozelek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQWBTAt-xBI

buzz kil buffoon

As someone who knows virtually nothing about him he comes across like Ariel Pink to me, another resentful indie omega male puffed up by acclaim and turning that resentment outward as angry misogyny.

Too bad because a ton of his albums are nuanced and smart and mature. Such a discrepancy from this behavior. His latest album matches well though.

Kozelek is a manic depressive. It sounds like a hypomanic episode.

I don't think he is, though. He's been consistently, though increasingly, like this in a public setting for years. Even in the April-era you heard stories. And his lyrics have always revealed a potential for nastiness (e.g. the "mistress" character). What's puzzling is his apparent wish/compulsion to show off this side of himself in the limelight. However, it's reinforced by all the attention

Hmm this guy is obviously a complete shit but some of his friends think he isn't and also he sings songs

*thinks*

*thinks for ages*

Yeah, we should all probably stop wasting our valuable time on this particular thread on this vast internet music message board.

seems kinda shitty to me that P-fork didn't report on this incidnt at all, considering the 12 fucking pieces they posted on the Koz/War on Drugs "feud"...thing

Schreibs responded on FB.

I was 100% onboard with him calling a bunch of hip urban 'new south' concertgoers hillbillies, because I hate Raleigh & thought it was a deliciously well-aimed jab (cf that Ben Folds Five song about trying to cover up your redneck past) but everything since then has made me want to to karate-kick his cranky ass into a garbage truck

(Full disclosure: I have heard no RHP & very little SKM, so I was basically indifferent towards him at the time. Some of the RHP stuff posted itt are intriguing & I would maybe even have bought a record or two, if I didn't have infinite better things to do than give my money to shitheads)

* RHP songs posted itt