My name is Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive: THE FLASH tv show

I feel like they almost have to make use of Cisco's power--like some kind of time reset where everything has changed and Cisco is the only person who remembers the Flash, and he finds Wells and helps him build blah blah blah

i have a feeling eddie being sucked into the wormhole will definitely be significant, but i have no idea what the outcome will be

gotta wonder how much they can really change the show's status quo without it having a knock-on effect in arrow

Think they've given up on that since last week Oliver appeared to help Barry in Star City whilst on supposed lock down in Nanda Parbat.

just remembered jay garrick's helmet showing up through the wormhole and wells apparently recognising it - wonder what they're planning to do with that?

It does bug me that after the big reveal, neither Barry nor Caitlyn nor Cisco ever said, "Hey, maybe we should consult that supercomputer from the future that we found hidden behind a wall?"

Thought it was ridiculous how little all the characters cared that saving Barry's mother could end the world, just shrugged it off like it was no biggie.

i also struggled a bit with the implications of what changing the past would mean - would barry as we know him essentially be committing suicide by ceasing to exist?

None of this really makes any sense--if Reverse Flash was never born then he could never go back in time and kill Barry's mom & Wells or create the Flash. But then if none of that stuff happened then Eddie would probably never have killed himself, and therefore Reverse Flash would still be born.

Yeah I guessed Eddie might kill himself, but I thought the outcome would be Reverse flash couldn't return to HIS future now - that there'd be no place for him in that year as his family etc didn't exist in ANY form, making him truly a man out of time. But instead I get to spend the summer wondering does this mean Harrison wells is alive and if so doesn't that mean Barry's mom is alive and if so doesn't that mean etc etc

I'd hope they'd just rush through explaining the consequences they've decided in the season premiere and stop talking about time travel in season 2 but legends of tomorrow suggests otherwise.

The presence of martin and lack of Ronnie in the legends trailer has me worried Ronnie is in a coma after that shock, meaning he only moves around when the prof turns him into firestorm

i was amused that martin and ronnie made no move whatsoever to help barry try to close the rift at the end of the episode, just stood there gawping like a couple of dummies instead of firestormin' up

Wait was Ronnie in that final shot?

Cuz then there goes my theory

i could have sworn he was but i'm doubting myself now...

I hadn't heard about Legends of Tomorrow until just now, but considering the trailer a guy from the future who protects timelines I figure all this paradox stuff will be cleaned up

Has

Finally watched the last episode. I really wish that people who write time travel stories would sit with the thing for a little while and make sure that the rules of time travel within their particular story have an internal consistency. It might just be my own personal bugbear, but it drives me nuts. And even beyond the mechanics of the time travel, the motivations for people's actions and decisions were just all over the place and...outright stupid at times?

So, yeah, not crazy about the finale.

the time travel storylines have felt sloppy and dangerous ever since flash ran back in time and didn't co-exist with his other self. but let's not forget what this show IS good at...the feels. oh my god, barry and his mom, barry and joe...SO MANY FEELINGS

my wife is still mourning eddie. this is the only superhero thing she has any time for (unless you count Lego Batman), and was really sad to see one of her "sweet goober" go

He was like a golden retriever with a badge.

Yes, the feels were good. I did get a little choked up when the Flash had the chance to say goodbye to his mom.

'golden retriver with a badge' otm

eddie dying really highlighted for me one of the strengths of this show, which is that the heroes and supporting cast are genuinely good people - barry, eddie, joe, henry, cisco and caitlin are all honest, upright people trying to do the best they can for the good of others. the lack of a dark side to this show's main characters is part of what made it so fun and refreshing. even wells had his moments, like his paternal scenes with barry and cisco.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/mega-buzz-the-flash-multiple-universes/

"What's fun about this show is that there's going to be multiple timelines as we move forward," Gustin says. "I think we're going to start showing Earth-One and Earth-Two in the near future. There will be kind of different dimensions going on."

kinda scared about this - hoped Legends Of Tomorrow could take over the timeline talk and let Flash focus on rebooting the scooby crew post-Eobard.

i assumed maybe that rival of wells would take over star labs (maybe eobard had the place on auto-billpay) and/or hire caitlin and cisco.

though i guess since the timeshit is already getting wonky and confusing, assuming they keep the feels a-comin', they can just let the timeshit get crazier and more confusing until barry has to crisis it up

So they're really going run with this possible worlds thing.

Not gonna lie, I was fanboying like fuck when they did the 'Flash Of Two Worlds' cover.

I'm into it! If nothing else, it's a good excuse to bring on more bad guys.

Also probably means anyone who died last season is coming back

Michael Ironside = :D
How old Michael Ironside looks = ;_;

Funny, I just started watching Masters fo Sex at the time the season started and the Casanova doctor from that is Jay Garrick in this.

Is Jay Garrick the son of a WWII era hero, or is there more of the old costume than the hat anyway? That is to say the helmet is part of teh Golden Age Flash costume isn't it? I've not really followed DC so not totally up with who's in what team but I do remember seeing a Flash in that costume as one of the Justice League or Justice Society of Americas and I think they were from a parallel world though I'm not sure if they were then present day or sometime in the future. May have been late 70s or sometime in the 80s when I came across what ever comic that was in. & the whole structure of what fist where may have changed massively since then.
Is it DC that has double figures of significant parallel Earths? Each one of which has some tie to the present day of whichever teh main Earth is?

Jay Garrick is the Golden Age Flash, and is therefore in JSA. This puts him on Earth 2, since the Silver Age and in a different way in the Johnsiverse.

DC currently has 52 universes (and look, there are 52 wormholes in Flash...) which is several hundred less than Marvel ("our universe is 616, for example).

Yeah, thought he seemed a bit young to be active during WWII but apparently there were reasons for that.

This week's episode had a 10-second look at Gorilla City on Earth-2. Gorilla City! THere is nothing so silly that this show is above it, and it's great.

haha I gotta catch up with this

(So is this the thread for discussing Legends of Tomorrow?)

gave up after 3 episodes. only really enjoy cpt cold and sarah.

the bar fight in the pilot is p cool

how so?

i've only seen the first couple of episodes so far - they're okay but it's not quite the thrill-powered adventure i was hoping for. captain cold and heatwave's scenery-chewing partnership is my favourite element. kinda bugs me that the white canary's costume is really more of a dirty beige though!

This show is turning into Fringe Jr.

the crossover episode with supergirl was pretty fun!

I thought it was kind of a wasted opportunity... The episode focused too much on the ongoing Supergirl subplots and her villains, so Barry didn't have much to do in it. I wish they'd just straight adapted one of the famous Flash/Superman races from the comics, as the promo poster suggested... Now all we got was a slight nod towards those stories at the end of the episode.

And that wasn't meant to be a diss towards the Supergirl, IMO it's the best of the new DC shows on telly. It's just that I expected the crossover to be more equal towards both characters and their shows, maybe with a team-up between villains from each one too.

Also, on the Legends of Tomorrow tip, I think the quality of that series has improved notably during the last few episodes, as they've managed to do some interesting and unexpected character development for most of the protagonists. It's still not as good as Flash or Supergirl, but at least it isn't Arrow-level corny anymore.

yeah, legends definitely started shakily but it's getting better all the time

i'm not massively enthused by supergirl overall but melissa benoist is really good

wow, a lot going on in that last episode. not sure how they're going to write themselves out of the corner those last few minutes painted them into...

also GODDAMIT BARRY STOP TRYING TO FUCK YR SISTER

perhaps you have not seen his sister

also I totally love this show, and I'm glad supergirl is moving over to CW. the crossover was pretty weak but I imagine this makes it more likely that we'll have more. and maybe barry's screwing with the past is going to have ramifactions across Earths. I dunno.

SPOILERzzz

finding a way to get john wesley shipp to play the flash again was pretty clever - i totally didn't see the jay garrick reveal coming. he looks great in the costume!

it'd be good to have him around a bit more - it was super-weird that the first thing barry's dad did after getting out of prison was fuck off to live in a woodland cabin instead of, y'know, hanging out with the son he was away from for so long.

this season was a bit more uneven than the first one but i still liked it quite a bit and i genuinely have no idea where they're going next. hopefully the showrunners do!

I didn't even realize that aboug john wesley shipp until just now, having never watched that one season series. that's pretty cool; I like how this generation of DC series has brought back actors from the past (dean cain on supergirl, etc)