Where does "Hard Rock" leave off to become "Heavy Metal"...etc.

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m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Definitely a contributor to the modern style, but the story is complex. I'm going to lay it at the feet of Mesa-Boogie who started making small-sized amplifiers with incredible power and a stacked pre-amp stage for people like Country Joe and the Fish.

Heheh. I had actually written about 3 paragraphs about Fender, Marshall and Mesa but then decided my post was already too fucken long.

Though I agree about Mesa "inventing" or at least ushering in the hugely compressed multiple gainstage distortion, you could even make it a little simpler and say that the addition of the master volume to many amps around that time (and the rise of preamp distortion in general) was the beginning of the "modern" thing.

Dammit now I'm pissed I'm at work and not at home playing guitar.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

you could even make it a little simpler and say that the addition of the master volume to many amps around that time (and the rise of preamp distortion in general) was the beginning of the "modern" thing.

Yeah, agreed. My old amps surely weren't built to deliver the exciting metal sound on demand. The British had the Dallas Rangemaster. I had an Electro-Harmonix LPB-1.

George Smith, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I primarily play those old non-master volume [Fender] amps. And the front end of my standard rig is an LPB clone I built a while back and a vintage Muff Fuzz (not related sonically to it's "Big" brother at all).

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

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m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Thursday, 23 December 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I posted a list of "rules" on that previous thread that Chuck linked to - an E-Z Guide to explaining who's metal & who's not. Mostly I was full of shit (and knew it, and admitted it.) But I still think that one of those rules is a pretty darn accurate litmus test: For the most part, as I see it, WOMEN DO NOT BUY METAL RECORDS, nor listen to 'em except with their boyfriends. George wrote something very similar awhile back, and added some impressive-sounding physiological phenomena to partially explain why. (You know, boys play with cars/girls play with dolls, men are from Mars/women are from Venus, that sort of thing.) Incidentally, I appreciate George and Martin's tech-talk!

Myonga Von Banshee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 23 December 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm not getting on the bus until he says we're metal"

We're heavy metal, OK? Heavy Metal, Heavy Metal, Heavy bloody Metal.

Just like your fuckin' head.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 23 December 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, I appreciate George and Martin's tech-talk!

Same here, good stuff!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 December 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

But are there contemporary artists working a vein that might be termed "hard rock" but not metal?

Yeah, the Lizards. "Cold Hearted Kings." Last album, "Rule," featured John Garner, dug up from Sir Lord Baltimore, to sing. New album sacked him and it didn't hurt, as far as I can tell.

The Navajo Code Talkers, who I've mentioned briefly elsewhere. Quebecois biker rock led by girls. The guitarists have a Link Wray thing going on, which is greaser right from the original source. This year's/last year's "Vanilla Fudge" records. The Zolar-X archival release.

Most metros in the US have at least half a dozen such bands, most of whom have done or do their own releases in this vein. Poobah comes to mind, too.

George Smith, Thursday, 23 December 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, Pat Travers has been cranking this stuff out. I passed on the new one but last year he did a power trio thing with Aynsley Dunbar, covering mostly vintage Texan hard rock. By dint of choice in material, it's a major biker blow out for the first twenty or so minutes and the only place you're gonna hear Point Blank and Stray Dog covered in close proximity. Those selections are crushing in
density.

George Smith, Thursday, 23 December 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Last album, "Rule," featured John Garner, dug up from Sir Lord Baltimore, to sing

!!!!!

Why was I not informed?! Greatest drummer-who-sings EVAH!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 24 December 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

They did a remake of "Kingdom Come," too. New singer sounds like Lou Gramm. A radical change but it works, anyway.

George Smith, Friday, 24 December 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

my wife buys heavy metal records (Iron Maiden, Mercyful Fate, lots of Sabbath/Ozzy).

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 24 December 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

From the description for this Iron Magazine record. Applies as well to the frankly superb Aktor - Paranoia album also from Jussi Lehtisalo and Tomi Leppänen (with Chris Black of Dawnbringer in this case.)

https://ironmagazine.bandcamp.com/album/queen-of-hell

Can you cite examples of this nexus / original stuff that sounds like this, well known or obscure?

Noel Emits, Monday, 20 March 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link

^^^

"...lazer-buzzing, intergalactic HARD ROCKIN' at that nexus of 1980 where greasy 'n' galloping heavy metal, Sunset-strippin' hard rock, and space-cased AOR all crossed DNA for one brief moment."

Noel Emits, Monday, 20 March 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Tried to start a thread but it wasn't having it. The AOR element is also important.

Noel Emits, Monday, 20 March 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link

the frankly superb Aktor - Paranoia album

sidestepping your question, but i LOVE that aktor album.

can't search for anything atm, but i started a thread some years back about aor dino rockers making "new wave" styled pop albums c. 1981 (e.g., blue oyster cult's cultosaurus erectus). iirc, some of the suggestions made would fit in pretty well here.

The sandwiches looked quite dank. (contenderizer), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link

So you did, it was even bumped recently. I'll have a look through that, thanks.

1981 = year of 70s dino rockers w modren/wavo comeback LPs

Noel Emits, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link

the quote from the queen of hell bandcamp page makes me think of stuff like nazareth's no mean city and priest's british steel

The sandwiches looked quite dank. (contenderizer), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link

I'll use this to post about High Spirits again, love this band and fits this:

https://highspiritsmetal.bandcamp.com/album/motivator

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link

otm (for contemporary echoes of these psychic wars, anyway). was gonna say i think of aktor's paranoia as a chris black joint more than a circle peeps poject.

The sandwiches looked quite dank. (contenderizer), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link

hawkwind - levitation

The sandwiches looked quite dank. (contenderizer), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link

are we sure this Iron Magazine isn't a Ween side project? talk about self-aware

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link

i guess if it were ween the tunes would be better tho

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link

Mastodon have been retreating backward from heavy metal to hard rock in recent years. There's a song on the new album that's basically .38 Special.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link

xp danko jones always bring that vibe. have some friends who like them. i don't.

The sandwiches looked quite dank. (contenderizer), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link


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