This is the thread where we talk about punk compilations issued in the mid 90s (Do not read if you weren't a boring white kid from the US suburbs, born ~1976-1984)

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gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

ROCK STARS KILL
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1. Horse Girl performed by Tourettes
2. M.P. Skulkers performed by Cupid Car Club
3. Megabot performed by Starpower
4. Pukulee & Rikulee performed by Boredoms
5. Puffin Stars performed by Helium / Bird Of Paradise
6. Stupid Crazy performed by Spinanes
7. Seven performed by Team Dresch
8. We Are Not Your Entertainers performed by Mukilteo Fairies
9. Anatomically Correct performed by God Is My Co Pilot
10. Rev performed by Severed Lethargy
11. Brixton performed by Rancid
12. Feed the Tree performed by Free Kitten
13. Painfully Obvious performed by Universal Order Of Armageddon
14. Patty Coahuila performed by Pee Chees
15. Roche Limit performed by Starpimp
16. Don the Beachcomber performed by Pell Mell
17. 37 Push Ups performed by Smog
18. Eskinaut performed by Star Sign Scorpio
19. North Pole performed by Hattifatteners
20. Pretty Polly performed by Grouse Moutain Skyride
21. Detox Killer (Erotic Thriller) performed by Fifth Column
22. Pusdog performed by Fleabag
23. I Wish I Was Him performed by Kathleen Hanna


Also, re: J Church: http://www.j-church.com/newsletter/09-4.html


RISD BANDS DON'T ROCK
Okay, here's where I'm going to start a fight. We're all friends here, right? Just stay with me for a moment...

For the longest time, I really didn't care about the new wave of ironic hardcore by bands like the Locust and then Black Dice and now Total Shutdown. I didn't and still don't really like those bands. I thought what they were doing was really silly. But I never thought any of them took themselves seriously, so I never really cared. Besides, the few people that I've met from all of those bands are really quite nice. I always figured, "fair enough, they're nice to me and they probably don't care for J Church either…"

But now it's gone too far. The new wave of totally apathetic / grad school / poseur hardcore has become too much for me to stand. It all has to do with them crossing the line and insulting a musical form that I hold dearly.

I subscribe to the avant-garde newsgroup at Yahoo because I love hearing postings about Bill Dixon, Albert Ayler, Cecil Taylor, etc from people that worked with them if not from the artists themselves. I've never posted because I've never felt I've had anything to contribute. It's just a source of great free information. Avant-garde and free jazz… it's a musical scene that means something, if for no other reason than history. You're talking about the reclaiming of a music form specifically for the African-American community. It was creativity and activism that merged art and politics as equal footed aspects of "cultural" analysis. The very idea of going far beyond the rigid order of traditional jazz and music in general was an abstraction that had direct ramifications on the socio-political landscape of the late `60s and early `70s. If the music world is a microcosm of the world at large, then music constructs had to be questioned like any other one in society… and vice versa. It was counter-culture and DIY methods that pre-cursed Crass and the anarcho punk movement.

It fucking means something to me.

So when I saw a listing in the avant-garde newsgroup for Black Dice and Total Shutdown playing a gig in San Francisco, I was fucking pissed off. These little shits were trying to disguise the fact that they were just a bunch of punk kids who "outgrew" punk and thought that they were really clever if they made a bunch of noise (which is the one aspect of these bands that I do like. But free jazz isn't just what's on the surface) and called themselves "artists". But these fucks take all the pretensions and all the posing, all the bullshit that most people hate so much about the art world and offer no tangible reason to think that they've done something of character or of cultural significance. Art is a mirror and these bands reflect nothing. It's a pose.

Avant-garde and free jazz was inherently connected to black power. Just ask Bill Dixon or anyone from the Art Ensemble of Chicago or Archie Shepp. What do Black Dice and the bands like them have to do with black power? Could they ever do something as ideologically radical?

Now, I haven't cared that much about hardcore in some time. There are still bands out there that I like. But I don't care that much. Still, it makes me sad to think that bands like Black Dice could in anyway be the wave of the future. I like to think that they are an insignificant blip on the map of music history (like J Church, of course). They probably are. But I worry that they are the shape of things to come. It's a shame when that kind of cynicism is the only way to combat the un-imaginative status quo of `90s hardcore. There are still some people in that scene involved for the politics and "art" of it rather than the empty slogans and macho poses. Black Dice are, sadly, the logical extent of Sonic Youth's half ironic interest in hardcore punk. They are the kids that won't really commit to anything because they would rather laugh at it. Shit, Black Dice must be doing something because I haven't been worried about the "state of hardcore" in years.

Hopefully, this will all play itself out. Black Dice aren't gonna survive in the avant-garde world doing what they're doing. They'll have to change and that might be a good thing.

OMG Kathleen Hanna covering Noise Addict? That's so awesome!

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Dice are, sadly, the logical extent of Sonic Youth's half ironic interest in hardcore punk.

I don't think Sonic Yoooooth's interest in hardcore was ironic at ALL.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

gygax,
it's really not that awesome.

the boredom's song OWNZ

ddb, Friday, 14 May 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, lance hahn sure is a fucking idiot (though he's right that Total Shutdown sucks).

jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

he should post to ILM.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Why didn't I buy that comp? Imagine how cool I would be now if I had bought that for my interest in rancid and ended up liking Boredoms and UOA like.... 8 years earlier...
My friend and I had one that was covers of Sesame Street songs. God what was I thinking? It seemed to have been lost to time, as no traces can be found on Google.

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 14 May 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

I stockpile punk compilations like some folks do with 60s garage rock. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the many Anagram "Punk Singles Collections" that came out in the 90s, particularly the ones covering small labels: Good Vibrations, Secret Records, Riot City Records, Raw Records, Small Wonder, Rondelet, Cherry Red, etc. Any of them particularly worth hearing?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link


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