bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL

i hadn't read your post i just quoted yet xp jordan

like i said yesterday given what we know about simmons, that he is generally regarded to be a decent guy if a little egotistical, it's going to be hard to craft a takedown piece with a whole lot of impact. hence what we get are some pieces griping about his writing that amount to not much more than professional jealousy

imo theres a very good takedown or criticism to be written of bill simmons, i think some of these pieces touch on it but no ones really done a comprehensive job

i mean maybe someone has im sure the ones i havent read far out number the ones i have

i think lagoon made some very good points re: simmons's television presence yday, like as an example of legit criticisms to levy bc in that case the product he's pushing, the grantland bball hour, doesn't really work that well (it's not bad as a podcast! he just doesn't have great on-camera presence and those weird animations are dumb as hell). the point being, you could say something like, he's overextended, he should stay in his lane, and that functions as a fair criticism of how his egotism has gotten a bit out of control.

naturally, deadspin has to tie in some shit about how he's TEH VOICE OF BROS, which is funny imo because i know more bros who read deadspin and fucking barstool sports (vomit) for their sports #content than i do sports fans of the bro or non-bro variety who bother to have much of an opinion about simmons.

lol maybe bro culture has passed simmons by :(

hes pretty middle aged these days

he's cooked

its settled then

lol, i mean it kinda has. but yeah uhhh burnenko, petechesky, magary, deadspin crew - do you know who reads your site or do you think it's all #cultured people from coastal cities who happen to like sports gossip? you're not like the fuckin thinking person's sports site (does such a thing exist? could it? lol) by a long shot

feel like they consider themselves more counter cultural than intellectual, which very well also may not be reflected in their readership

or their writing staff. leitch is george plimpton compared to those guys.

kinda think about the 'we need a definitive/good simmons takedown' talk the way i do when i hear 'someone better than joss whedon needs to be making the marvel movies'. like no, these are trivial generally worthless pursuits, the ppl doing these things are generally the best ppl you want doing these things, anyone capable of better doesn't need to doing something like a bill simmons takedown or hulk movie. i mean say this much for gawker media, there's nobody there where you can say 'wow this person is capable of so much more than this', nobody's talent is being held back, they're all maximizing their potential there.

bill simmons is the most successful guy in his profession and worthy of being criticized well!

his profession is generally irrelevant to the larger world!

its not like the most important thing but a good critic writing a few thousand words on it is not going to rob society of anything really

lol lagoon ur just a drama queen we found u out

in it for the juicy deets

hey man i never denied loving juice deets

he is the juicydeetsman

there are a few pretty good people at deadspin, most if not all of whom are decidedly not the ones bothering to do pot/kettle zingtastic alternatingly faux-naif bloggy/online-hardman posts raging against the sins of ultimately harmless sports media doofuses

the howard longform pieces about whitlock are another thing entirely bc that dude is actively toxic and ruining people's professional careers and pushing viewpoints that the author finds genuinely harmful

cant believe u all wont get behind bullying bill simmons smh what has this bord come to

also have really enjoyed diana moskovitz's articles and that recent oral history of the clippers series

yeah i enjoyed that though i did lol at them even then just openly going 'we should do some grantland shit', clickhole doing an oral history of the flu game like a day later just made it even funnier

lol

those clickhole oral histories obvs better than the grantland and deadspin ones put together

*are obvs

oh would you speak of the devil:

Rembert Browne ‏@rembert 2m2 minutes ago
list of grantland pieces about deadspin, since 2011:

i've made fun of rem before but he has a point

yeah deadspin went hard at grantland from day one, even publishing a list of grammar mistakes in their first few articles which struck me as being really bitchy

I decided to re-read this for some reason.

http://grantland.com/features/welcome-grantland/

Tbf ilh blasted grantland in that shaky early phase because really it boiled down to get one (1) editor, not that hard

let it never be said that denton (and by extension craggs or whoever's in his chair now) ever hesitated for a second before aggressively moving to attack a threat to its pageviews

then as now it was cloaked in this hysterical "we're telling it like it is and taking on big media! IN STRATEGICALLY DEPLOYED ALL CAPS!" tone

gawker does media criticism grantland does not this is not too hard to figure out

how in the blue fuck is it a question of "figuring out," the question is "why bother," and somehow i doubt the answer has to do with having strong ethical media-watchdog feelings and everything to do with "that's what people will click on/read," the obvious cold-blooded pragmatism of which wouldn't even be an issue if they would be halfway honest about it instead of pretending they have standards

like i'm under 30 and i fall for my fair share of clickbait about various topics i just appreciate it being presented honestly

jfc sloth

cant believe u all wont get behind bullying bill simmons smh what has this bord come to

― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:32 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what happened to this thread even

i want to post this about once a week i'm going to take this occasion to actually do it

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/anchorman-i-dont-know-what.gif

http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/05/12/espn-upfronts-john-skipper-bill-simmons-grantland-epl?xid=nl_siextra

feeling like mr snrub about that van pelt announcement, svp and russillo is the only sports talk radio show i deliberately listen to and enjoy.

On whether the deal with Simmons broke over money. “It did not come down to money. Look, we're a big company. If it was just dollars and cents, we would have figured something out. "It is about ultimately about what he wants to do, what value that creates, what we want to do together in deciding whether there is going to be a match, and we decided that ultimately there wouldn't be."

On his level of interest for retaining Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless, whose contracts are coming up: “Very high.”

smdh

I was listening to the Hollywood Prospectus podcast this week, and for the umpteenth time, Ryan and Greenwald were joking about forgetting scenes and characters from the shows they are paid to review. Thought that was particularly tone deaf in light of the questions being asked about Grantland's value in light Simmons' canning.

Not that remembering Walda Frey is a matter of life or death, but jesus, have a little bit of professionalism.

they shd take notes

tbf that's a running joke for a lot of people who watch game of thrones casually and ryan isn't an actual critic, but, yeah.

(he runs the triangle blog and does that pod with greenwald bc the two of them are irl friends iirc)

Ahh that explains some of it. Also explains why Ryan admitted to not having seen any of the oscar movies during one of their year-end podcasts.