things Billy Corgan said to Kim Thayil in Australia in 1994 poll

yes, corgan is large. also that tweet is more than 140 characters. i can tell by the pixels.

he is v tall but strangely has a napoleon complex

No recordings or setlists from the Australia leg of the Siamese Dream tour have ever surfaced before now. This is the infamous show where, on his way to the stage, Billy walked past Kim Thayil and told him he hurt him deeply in his heart. Check out the Superman longsleeve. Pumpkins start at 32:50. Breeders right before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-S6ojE5reA&feature=youtu.be

This is am important find. Thank you, flappy bird.

Flappy bird is for posterity!

This is the infamous show
Are you basing this just on Billy's shirt? Youtube description says this is Auckland - Billy probably wore that shirt on each stop of the festival.

Rats! I misread the article before posting, thought it said it was a week later, not a day later. That would make the infamous show 1/23/94 in Melbourne. A setlist is extant, and opening with Geek U.S.A. fits the "scrim of anger" description by the author.

http://www.spfc.org/data/media/19/292/1513.jpg

This has been Corrections and Confessions with Flappy bird. have a good one :^)

The way I read the article, the show was at the Gold Coast. Kim, Billy etc. flew up and had their initial interaction the day before the show. Of course, Jonathan Gold could've moved events around for comedic effect...

The whole exchange happened at the first show on the Gold Coast, but the "hurt me deeply in my heart" happened the next day in Melbourne.

btw happy birthday billy!

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/722429491386191873

On today's show: Smashing Pumpkin's Billy Corgan will demolish social justice warrior brainwashing in studio.

great news

oh no

the last time he was on he said "I think it's very astute of you to call it an Infowar."

things Billy Corgan told a loony-bin broadcaster were 'astute' in Internet

christ he really does have the mind of child

oh

http://pitchfork.com/news/64926-billy-corgan-compares-social-justice-warriors-to-the-kkk/

oh, billy.
oh no.

That's what exposes them every time and you guys are doing a great job of exposing that but most people–most people–who are not down there at the rally and spinning their Twizzler and making up stories about ghosts that don't exist–and it's a lot of fantasy stuff going on there. I mean, it literally could be a wizard world convention.

glad billy pumpkin is here to warn us of the dangers posed by fantasy stuff, nerds assembling in groups, and making up stories about ghosts that don't exist

Billy is essentially a massive fantasist, isn't he? All that stuff he was guffing a few years back, about how he and Kurt were the two scribes of their generation, and no one else could touch them... Crazy. I mean, I like the first two Smashing Pumpkins albums, but I find it hard to get past that contemporaneous review that they sound like Roxette produced by Alan Moulder.

ghosts that don't exist

And again–you haven't said this here so it's not again–the lack of tolerance of ideas and other points of view is the great Achilles heel of the social justice warrior movement.

so champion of free speech billy corgan isn't down with tolerating people talking about injustice huh

hypothetical Star Wars holodeck type of way

GODDAMMIT BILLY THE HOLODECK IS STAR TREK

the last time he was on he said "I think it's very astute of you to call it an Infowar."

― flappy bird, Tuesday, April 19, 2016 4:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha

from the new interview: "Like I've said before, I think it was very prescient of you to call it an Infowar."

I came in the door I said it before
I think it was very prescient of you to call it an Infowar

the fluoride in me is the fluoride in you

lot of facepalming and easy jokes here, not a whole lot of arguing with what he, you know, actually said

i thought it was a great interview. i thought he had a lot of interesting and insightful things to say. i take issue with his use of "social justice warrior," incredibly stupid phrase, but other than that, it was surprisingly good, much better than his previous two appearances on Infowars. I watched the interview live, and I didn't expect it to make any headlines. But of course, Pitchfork and Stereogum completely misrepresented what he said in their headlines and write ups. Sort of makes you lean toward Corgan and Jones' media complicity theory.

does it now

just a little

As someone who has actually tried arguing with people on the internet who believe there is a worldwide conspiracy of "SJWs", can I be the first to offer my disinterest in continuing it here?

idk, if you let go your preconceived notions and really think for yourself, it is very suspicious how no one itt has engaged with the substance of someone decrying a "SJW" conspiracy by comparing campus activists to mao, hitler, and jim crow justice, on an internet talk show hosted by chris farley as bennett brauer.

he's very stupid indeed, is the takeaway here

But of course, Pitchfork and Stereogum completely misrepresented what he said in their headlines and write ups

they did not. he was making false equivalencies. it's v typical faux liberal bullshit to be like "if you do anything that resembles what a fascist once did you too must be a fascist, free speech blah blah blah" without any actual recognition or consciousness of the imbalance of power in these relationships. it's horseshit and offensively stupid

it's horseshit and offensively stupid

Just like his music!

I really fell down a hole listening to Alex Jones, weird trip today. It's like they have perfectly intelligent, rational discussions as long as your willing to proceed with a mutually accepted batshit worldview. He also is really hawking this line of nutritional supplements hardcore

jones is good fun

it's horseshit and offensively stupid

Maybe the problem is the older generation thinks the youth of today get offended too easily.

like getting hurt in their hearts

hearing people talk about how offended they are that other people are being offended getting pretty old at this point

Are you offended by it?

Billy does talk some garbage, doesn't he. I miss the days when you'd only hear from him in an MTV interview or a magazine.

saw this on twitter, billy has always been really good at relating to women
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1qIhtKkrnuM

oh my god, all the interviews from that day are amazing. they all make me wince. like when he makes the "I'm Ono-Corgan" joke and then does the "went over your head" gesture - christ, fuck you billy.

even better: Billy mistakenly refers to Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds as a British band, and Cave just obliterates him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ6SuW7RDKI

never really got into his music, but i don't think my friends who did were under any illusion that he is not a huge turd

thing is if he and not cobain had died just after their followup to the breakthrough album i think his rep would be a very very different thing. sweeping genius, ambition, the sensitive shy perfectionist aiming for the stars etc. etc. gish, SD and MCIS is a hell of a run (as the current albums poll thread suggests), not even getting into the b-sides and such. he had something really really special. then, very suddenly, it seemed to dissipate.

what's particularly sad about the spaceboy becoming lindbergh, or howard hughes, or whatever, is that so much of what was brilliant in his music was how it spoke to being a picked-on weirdo without just wallowing in self-pity or anger, though those were unmistakably part of the mix. despite all the rage, he actually spoke up for fey romance and dreams and being, well, different. to use an appropriately high-school reference, he was piggy, but also simon, and when he was angry it was only due to the wounds inflicted by the jacks of the world. siding with the bullies against those who speak up for difference is a real woodstock-attendees-voting-for-reagan kind of sad if predictable disappointment.

thing is if he and not cobain had died just after their followup to the breakthrough album i think his rep would be a very very different thing - hahhahaah NO. this dude was marked as a clown from day fucking one. that he's gone alt-right is something but hardly surprising considering how much the anti-liberal resentment that fuels it resembles his anti-cool resentment since whenever some skater punk laughed at him for loving boston in middle school. dude's always been a superior fuck w/ an inferiority complex. for a minute there he figured out how to update boston for the 90s. then the 90s ended.

xp otm.

he's often said that Lollapalooza 1994 was a turning point for him. when he saw the same jocks and football players that used to beat him up for having a funny haircut out in the crowd, he realized then that the dream of the "alternative nation" was basically bust. the urgency in MCIS and in making this gigantic, grand, final statement as Smashing Pumpkins Mach I was because he saw himself and all the other original Gen X bands on a sinking ship. he burned brighter faster.

he was marked as a clown by indie elitists for being openly careerist and embracing all the wrong things in his music - guitar solos, studio perfectionism, candor, Boston and ELO worship. "Cherub Rock" is his rebuke toward Albini and Cosloy and a world that never accepted him.