xp Vandermeer has mentioned le Carré as a point of reference for the second book, and it does have a similar atmosphere of paper-shuffling paranoia. It's a pretty strange move to slide that kind of novel in between the other two! After the first book I think I was ready for some boring realism to help sustain my suspension of disbelief.
Authority also has a sort of 50s monster movie vibe, the team of heroic scientists vs. the weird menace, but with those familiar tropes subverted by bureaucratic pettiness, lack of resources, lack of coordination, Control's weak leadership/managerial skills, etc. I think past work experience helps explain why I found the book so queasy and funny.
― Brad C., Sunday, 26 April 2015 19:49 (four years ago) link
the 2nd book was a relief of sorts. i don't think the family history (especially his all-seeing mother) was that interesting, but the work-place stuff was suitably surreal. i LOVED the dueling narrator thing in the 3rd book though. it just added to the insane tension.
― scott seward, Sunday, 26 April 2015 21:00 (four years ago) link
i remember dislike this guy ... back in the day ...
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 27 April 2015 11:03 (four years ago) link
i read that 'city of saints and madmen' thing. had to look it up. can't remember why ambergris is meant to be like distinct or anything
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 27 April 2015 11:04 (four years ago) link
I read the first one in two days, very good.
― calstars, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 01:32 (four years ago) link
Feel like I'm being really negative at the mo but just read the first one and it didn't do much for me. Was clear from fairly early on that despite the sci-fi trappings it was planting itself more firmly in the weird genre, more about atmosphere than answers. Which is fine, I'm not always after after a whodunnit style nice pat "the butlerian jihad did it!" conclusion, but in this case I just wasn't drawn in. I found the emphasis on hypnosis rather ridiculous.
― ledge, Monday, 11 May 2015 08:47 (four years ago) link
my wife enjoyed these but said they were kinda bad, they look like roadside picnic rips?
vandermeer gives off a strong cherry vape and musty fedora vibe imo
― adam, Monday, 11 May 2015 14:06 (four years ago) link
weirdest thing was probably the note in the third volume giving a nod to The Coming Insurrection.
― ryan, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:47 (four years ago) link
Enjoyed the first, diminishing returns on the second, didn't get halfway through the third.
― calstars, Sunday, 24 May 2015 16:38 (four years ago) link
Keep thinking of reading these, but probably should read barely cracked copy of the one that takes place on Albumuth Boulevard in Ambergris first. He seems to like names that begin with the letter A.
― Proclus Hiriam (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 May 2015 18:13 (four years ago) link
"All of us were women this time, chosen as part of the complex set of variables that governed sending the expeditions."
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:55 (four years ago) link
"The expedition could last days, months, or even years, depending on various stimuli and conditions."
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:58 (four years ago) link
the next sentence i was going to quote had 'foodstuffs' as two words: 'all of our food stuffs'
then i remembered the copy i found was a second-hand proof and checked, and, yes, they did fix that
jeff vandermeer is someone who thinks that 'food stuffs' is a thing
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:03 (four years ago) link
B-b-but The Ideas, man!
― Archaic Buster Poindexter, Live At The Apollo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:28 (four years ago) link
loved these books!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:39 (four years ago) link
i kinda do feel like i never need to read anything else by him cuz i can't imagine that they would be better or as interesting to me. unless he wrote a three book sequel to these books....that i would read immediately.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:40 (four years ago) link
after making fun of the prose style last night i sat here and read it straight through all morning so hm
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 04:39 (four years ago) link
tbf, the writer of the first book, from which those quotes come, is a very odd woman
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 05:08 (four years ago) link
"after making fun of the prose style last night i sat here and read it straight through all morning so hm"
maybe i'm just a simpleton but i found it riveting.
wait, JAMES MORRISON, did you read these books?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 05:28 (four years ago) link
and as far as the third book goes, i am a big fan of the multiple narrator novel. or whatever you would call that. can't think of any offhand, but i know i have read some.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 05:31 (four years ago) link
I did, and I really lied them, but like you have not gone near any other vandermeer because it looked very "I'm so wacky" that it gave me hives
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 05:50 (four years ago) link
you never them!
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 05:51 (four years ago) link
i mean, i realised later that the awful clunky sentence-making was meant to tell us something about the narrator, but i'm not convinced by it at all! there are a couple of other things i'd point at, i'm at work now but maybe later, anyway he thanks his editor in the acknowledgements and his editor really doesn't deserve it afaict
i'm probably in for the ride now tho /:
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 07:14 (four years ago) link
yeah, i wasn't very affected by these -- i think maybe, perhaps reductively, is that i'm not convinced by the weirdness and ineffableness of whatever lies beyond the human, because there are no humans in these books
but maybe that was the point ~
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 18 September 2015 08:40 (four years ago) link
"he sat on a stool, his favorite neoclassical composer playing on his laptop"
"he wished he had his neoclassical music on headphones for the full experience"
"He slipped out the front door, deciding to leave Chorry alone, put on his headphones, turned on some of the classical music that he loved"
when i read this i see a comment vandermeer left for himself in word that says 'learn names of some composers before submitting manuscript'
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 18 September 2015 08:44 (four years ago) link
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 18 September 2015 17:29 (four years ago) link
that said i didn't feel the dropoff other posters said they ddi, i thought two and three were equally successful in their tension. i didn't like the structure of three though -- seemed like the benefits of doing all the stories in parallel were fairly minimal.
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 18 September 2015 22:13 (four years ago) link
didn't realise there was a thread. neoclassical composers thing made me laugh as well, it was really jarring. also terroir. terroir terroir terroir. stop saying it. terroir. stop. terroir. it.
― Fizzles, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:51 (four years ago) link
terroir didn't bother me that much, it's quite a nice word. hi btw
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:51 (four years ago) link
yeah, terroir was ok seeing as it's part of the point, but it cropped up enough to make me feel it was carrying more weight than a single word should be allowed to carry. i'm finding three a bit of a grind. agree about the minimal benefits. and yes, hi.
― Fizzles, Monday, 28 September 2015 19:05 (four years ago) link
― Number None, Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:13 (three years ago) link
I was going to say, odd to lead with a male casting when the book is almost entirely female, but I guess he'll be the husband who goes missing before the book begins?
― a hairy, howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Thursday, 31 March 2016 23:19 (three years ago) link
jjl seems like an a+ psychiatrist
― mookieproof, Thursday, 31 March 2016 23:46 (three years ago) link
finally read the first one and caught a very strong solaris / stalker vibe but not much else.
i think maybe, perhaps reductively, is that i'm not convinced by the weirdness and ineffableness of whatever lies beyond the human, because there are no humans in these books
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, September 18, 2015 1:40 AM (one year ago)
^^ booming post
― the late great, Monday, 17 April 2017 21:42 (two years ago) link
i bought all three books together but now i'm not really sure if i'm going to read authority and acceptance or return them
― the late great, Monday, 17 April 2017 21:50 (two years ago) link
this thread needs a link to Annihilation (2018) -- Natalie Portman, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Oscar Isaac, Tessa Thompson, dir. Alex Garland, based on Jeff VanderMeer's book
― Brad C., Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:07 (one year ago) link
Prev. posted on Rolling Fantasy, Science Fiction etc.:
Haven't read it. but the movie of the first one opens tomorrow, already rates 81, Universal Acclaim on metacritic. Directed by Alex Garland, who did Ex Machina, which I enjoyed and posted about upthread---seems like he's going for something deeper now, judging by a recent interview I can't find, and of course you have to be a good talker to make it in media, but his style seems attentive, resourceful, flexible, so maybe--a also like that he's working with Ex M lead Oscar Isaac again, and of course will see anything involving Jennifer Jason Leigh.
Here's the Garland interviewhttps://www.theverge.com/2018/2/21/17029500/annihilation-ex-machina-director-alex-garland-sci-fi. Excerpt:It’s super original. So many stories are retellings of other stories in a really self-conscious way, to the extent that I almost feel like it’s ritualistic. Like, you see the beats of that particular story starting, and you think, “Wow. We’re doing this again. It’s happening again.” What is the ritual? Where’s the comfort? What’s the need [this is addressing]? Particularly because so many of them are not comforting; they’re kind of disturbing. It’s just a weird thing. And Jeff’s book seems to just sit totally outside that, which I thought was really interesting. But that in itself is not a reason to adapt it, I think. It was really the atmosphere. It was just the feeling of reading it was so strange. It’s got a very strong dreamlike aspect. Reading it is like being in a dream, in a weird way. I thought, “That’s really interesting, and I’d like to have a try...There’s also a sort of metaphorical element to it, a sort of unknowable expanding existential thing. But the top-line narrative can satisfy the people who are not interested in the metaphorical side.
― dow, Thursday, February 22, 2018
― dow, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 19:49 (one year ago) link
Also, this just in--from Subterranean Press newsletter:
We're pleased to let you know that we'll be getting in a very small quantity of the signed limited edition of The Southern Reach Trilogy by Jeff VanderMeer, due to be published later this year. Publisher: Cemetery Dance.
(For those keeping score at home, and minding their budgets, we'll also be announcing a very exclusive Jeff VanderMeer signed limited edition of our own soon.)
About this Special Edition:Gathered together in this beautiful, oversized special edition is the complete text of Jeff VanderMeer's Southern Reach trilogy (Annihilation, Authority, and Acceptance) along with a massive bonus section of TOP SECRET MATERIAL that we're collecting exclusively for this special edition.
more info (price may start yer own cemetery dance---but description of ed. looks real nice)https://subterraneanpress.com/southern-reach-trilogy
― dow, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 19:57 (one year ago) link
I thought Borne was a much more satisfying novel than any of the Southern Reach books, individually or collectively
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:25 (one year ago) link
There's a Borne sequel/companion novella out this week
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 1 March 2018 02:22 (one year ago) link
OF COURSE ALEX GARLAND
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 2 March 2018 04:49 (one year ago) link
god, the movie is somehow worse
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:07 (one year ago) link
So how come there seems to be so little discussion of how these books & the movie are just a big Strugatsky Bros / Tarkovsky “reboot”
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:02 (one year ago) link
it's discussed quite a bit on the Annihilation thread
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 06:53 (one year ago) link
the similarities are exaggerated imo
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 07:06 (one year ago) link
The basic premise is the same. But the plots and styles and what they're ABOUT are miles apart.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 07:15 (one year ago) link
i read through all three of these books a few weeks ago and they've stuck with me more than i expected, given that i didn't enjoy them particularly while i was reading them
elliptical, allusive storytelling about investigations of the unknowable is really hard to pull off and i think this trilogy largely fails - the questions raised and the absences deliberately left by roadside picnic and stalker are fascinating but they're also satisfying stories in their own right, but vandermeer's attempts to do the same are just frustrating imo
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 13:00 (one year ago) link
Roadside Picnic also does a very good and odd thing of Hard-Bitten Capitalism running up hard against the Ineffable, which Area X is not interested in.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:00 (one year ago) link
I've heard Vandermeer has been annoyed about the association and insisted on a whole other bunch of influences which he listed in the books?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:06 (one year ago) link
have you got a link for that? i enjoyed the books, tho the first the most, which combined organic/psychic/linguistic fear (that last important) with mystery and inconclusiveness. roadside picnic is obv wonderful but as JM says doing something different. v working class, v making use of new technologies in a commercial way. area x is an environmental threat and a biologically uncertain zone.
― Fizzles, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:17 (one year ago) link
it feels odd that he shd get so antsy about it. that said, authors and stuff they’ve written. it’s a sensitive matter (and in fact i sympathise having gone off the deep end at someone who i felt had ripped me off. i mean i was right but i was rong)
― Fizzles, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:18 (one year ago) link
I cant find what he said. Maybe it was on twitter
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:41 (one year ago) link