Faith No More: Classic or Dud

listening to AotY now and I like it much more than I did last I heard (which to be fair, was when I was 18 and hadn't heard Angel Dust or The Real Thing yet).

"Stripsearch" is so fucking great but John Hudson's plodding dumb caveman metal guitars are so pointless. I mean I realize Jim Martin was equally lumbering one-dimensional metal guy (which is why they fax-fired him) but he was more interesting. I think Hudson's riffs are mostly pointless on this album other than the lead he plays on "Ashes to Ashes". well and actually I do like his unhinged noisy riffing on "Naked in Front of the Computer".

Roddy Bottum's keyboards pwn this fucking album.

Jim Martin has that kinda Slash thing "wail with feeling" i dunno what you call it, lotsa players aim for it and/or imitate it but dont always get there

but I also like a lot of the post Martin stuff a lot, and if they lose a little guitarwise with hudson but enjoy playing together then cool

roddy is king o keyboards for all time

I love KFAD without reservation.......still fighting to not listen to Sol Invictus despite the leak

KFAD rulez

I dunno why, but AOtY has never grabbed me

loses steam in the second half. bass pretty pedestrian. no genre hopping......

but STRIPSEARCH mang

no Cuckoo for Caca basically

I mean in a way it's the epitome of 1996 music - the guitar production is very generic "dumb" metal, the songs a bit more conventional, not quite as adventurous, grounded in one facet of their sound.....

but when it's on, it's on!

to be fair tho if I had heard Angel Dust first when I was 17 I woulda been like gtfo

deep down is a great tune. i really wish the diabolik soundtrack would see some kind of official release, because morricone's music for that is great. i had "driving decoys" as my ringtone for about a year.

it's funny to consider that when FNM came back with Patton in 1990, I was aware of a perception like "whut? they got rid of a gin-yew-whine weirdo in Mosely for this kid who appears to idolize Anthony Kiedis" of which there was no shortage at the time. Yet which of the two has the more interesting, fulfilling career?

One more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXI47_URvmE

did Patton ever give a reason that he solely sang in that nasal voice on The Real Thing? I mean I know he also did it on the first Bungle but just seems like a weird choice, to sing like Paul Reubens's character in Buffy the Vampire Slayer all the time.

that's why when I was a teen I heard "Digging the Grave" and was very confused

I assume the answer is that he was like a 19 year old kid and finding his voice?

^^^

good background on him learning to sing here http://www.believermag.com/issues/201301/?read=interview_patton

"Sol Invictus" is streaming on NPR. Based on my first listen it's a good but conservative FNM album. No weird genre exercises, Patton generally stays in his base growling/crooning voice.

It's there much rapping or slap bass?

it's a good but conservative FNM album. No weird genre exercises

Don't think this is entirely fair, there are no pastiches ala KFAD, but a lot of diverse influences have certainly gone into the compositions.

Black Friday is kind of a mariachi/metal hybrid for example.

It's a grower.

I love it.

Classic!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/faith-no-more-how-rocks-most-contrarian-band-made-up-and-came-back-20150512

great piece whiney!

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20339-sol-invictus/

haven't read it yet but kinda interesting how pitchfork was (kinda surprisingly) very vocal about recontextualizing faith no more for the current generation (the interview, saw a thing or two on the pitch, etc), and yet the actual album comes out and gets a pan or at least something far beneath a recommendation

"recontextualizing faith no more for the current generation" = "creating a tenuous strawman of homophobic metal fans that only the enlightened touch of [endemically racist] indie rock can crash through...as a metaphor"

Fucking please.

Pretty sure he just means introducing a band to an audience that wasn't born yet when their last album came out but ok

Immediate Follower otm, tbh i don't even really understand what you're accusing that phrase of. all i mean is i'm not the youngest p4k reader (27 next week) and if it weren't for me having done a live review of their reuion gig in philly like 5 years ago (for which i listened to everything they've ever released 'cause that's how i do~) i would know them only as "the 'epic' band."

This lede bugged me: http://pitchfork.com/features/update/9618-perennially-contentious-the-return-of-faith-no-more/

i got the album and gave it two listens. still haven't formed a solid opinion but I'd lean more to the 7.0 score myself. I do kinda feel like this is the type of album FNM could make in their sleep, but that shouldn't inherently be a detriment.

My concern is that the album seems like it may be a collection of good, if not great songs. I do think Hudson is much improved here. He's kind of like Emmitt Smith in that he takes what the band gives him rather than guiding anything, but stylistically he has more flare here and isn't so much a plodding dinosaur chugging out generic riffs.

I don't care so much about the lack of genre mashups like other people (I'd go more to Patton's 'other' band for that), but this probably will wind up somewhere in the middle of the pantheon for me.

but w/e either way, I'm glad to have them back.

the phrase "asian melodies" in the pitchfork feature seems, um, weird to me

yeah i'm sort of already psyched for them to make another album, but this record's really good

I'm digging it! It's def meat and potatoes FNM but I admire when bands come back and just do what they do (like Mission of Burma or Dino Jr comebacks)....

the album title gives me a bit of neofolk heebie jeebies, which could be a coincidence but something tells me Patton is the type of guy who knows who Tony Wakeford is :/

I think there's more weirdness buried in this record than a lot of people are saying.

[put this on the other FNM thread, not realising this was the current one - apologies for double-posting) but my Faith No More feature is in the new issue of MOJO, the one with Fleetwood Mac on the cover. Buy it! Magazines are great!!
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Nice!

o/

I like it as well as anythying else they did post Angel Dust (which I think is one of the greatest albums of the 90's). To be honest I haven't listened that much to the other post AD records, and this sounds just like those. It's perfectly fine.

motherfucker reminds me equally of beck's truck driving neighbours downstairs and the pointer sisters' how long (betcha got a chick on the side)

first listen. Matador the stand-out but plenty of good stuff here I think.

Matador, Cone of Shame and Separation Anxiety are the stand-outs for me.

Can anybody point to an interview or article that goes into the title track from The Real Thing at all? By far my favorite FNM song, but I haven't really seen the band members talk about it, I don't think.

got both REal Thing and Angel Dust reissues.

main diff I hear with Angel Dust reissue is that there's more separation between the layers...Jim Martin's riffs are more clear in parts where they were typically obscured a little by the keyboards. and they definitely have a bit more bite. some more separation on the keyboards so that in a few areas I can hear things I didn't previously. but really I'm more stoked for the 2nd disc.

listening to the AD extras disc now, the odds and sods are all pretty great, not least As the Worm Turns, a bit of a minor lost classic IMO

The Pitchfork review of the reissues is the best writing I've seen on FNM this press cycle.

I love Angel Dust too. I saw Faith No More for my first ever rock show, playing with Guns N' Roses and Soundgarden at Wembley!

ATWT is not lost they are currently playing it live!

hah fair enough!

The live tracks on the reissue are so good