i actually see a lot of his activity as boosterism for other people and he probably does bring attention to other people who i admire more ( kinda like thurston does) and this is always a good thing. if only one indie jim o'rourke fan buys a hafler trio or christoph heemann record....the world will be a better place. or loren connors. or zeena parkins.
at the end of the day, weasel walter is a more compelling figure to me in the world of prolific and hyperactive 20th and 21st century american composition.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, was just going to post that a better Primer would also include some of the things he's reissued, like Plux Quba or the stuff on Dexter's Cigar.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
That Nuno Canavarro album "Plux Quba" on Moikai is an all time top 10 or so for me, so yeah
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
Whoops yeah as said, sry
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
the o'rourke (via sonic youth) gateway into improv etc was definitely a big one for me in my late teens, yeah. he's also a much more appealing ~character~ (which is presumably useful for this kind of primer) as this roving polymath doing electroacoustic albums one day and indie pop ones the next than as just some dude who released a few nice indie-ish albums a while back
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
i actually see a lot of his activity as boosterism for other people and he probably does bring attention to other people who i admire more ( kinda like thurston does) and this is always a good thing. if only one indie jim o'rourke fan buys a hafler trio or christoph heemann record....the world will be a better place. or loren connors. or zeena parkins.― scott seward,
― scott seward,
if only one scott seward could crawl out of their asshole....the world will be a better place.
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
I want to make a comment/retort here but I keep circling back to the idea of a group of people sharing an asshole and shuddering
― DJP, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
i was just hoping for a gif
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
you sure about that?
― Evan, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
well... I don't want spread cheeks if that's what you mean
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
this sure took a turn
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
And coughed
― da croupier, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
You need to find another doctor.
― Evan, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
human centipitchfork
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
pinch forks's bum (#3438465
― neetsooh ebebay (wins), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/9634-boss-status-speedy-ortiz-make-power-moves/
I feel like in 2015 we can concede that it's not interesting or unusual for someone who plays "indie rock" to enjoy hip-hop music.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 23 April 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
Hip-hop has been mainstream popular for over 30 years. It's not interesting or unusual for anyone to enjoy it.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 23 April 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
the resilient, outspoken, and autonomous attitude of rap
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
full quote is "the resilient, outspoken, and autonomous attitude of rap at this point," which I guess is in sharp contrast to the focus on codependency and meekness that has defined the rap music before this point.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
almost startling to read "the 26-year-old poetry MFA holder" as a neutral descriptor
― rob, Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
x-post--
And though the 26-year-old poetry MFA holder grew up enamored of the songwriting of Elliott Smith and Fiona Apple, her psychic compass can’t help but pull towards the resilient, outspoken, and autonomous attitude of rap at this point.
I think the writer's use of "at this point" here is to compare what Dupuis "grew up" with and what she is listening to now, not rap then and rap now. In a NY Times interview she also talked about listening to rap (as well as Pavement and Aaliyah) but as I recall the interviewer did not add any special descriptive terms to describe her listening-- it was just "hey what are you listening to?". Pretty standard question to ask any musician, even if its generic.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 April 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
yeah, you're right, classic dangling modifier situation
― intheblanks, Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
I've written that phrase many times in student essays.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Does anyone actually listen to Speedy Ortiz or do they only exist in retweet form?
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
Glass houses, dude
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
?
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
oh you made a "who cares" dig despite knowing your friends like this band, so i did the usual call out of irony, don't sweat it no harm meant
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
I think the four or five music media professionals I know that like this band don't count as "anyone" except in the most literal sense of the word
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
i know maura is a fan; she is a very literal someone by my estimation (and yrs of course)
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
Damn that's cold
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
Xpost
v much in character whiney
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link
I didn't know indie rock band Speedy Ortiz had such evil power.
― Evan, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
when I say "anyone" assume that I mean mean "anyone outside of our small insular circle jerk of music writers, former music writers and aspiring music writers, i.e. the number of people on the planet earth who would read a thinkpiece on "poptimism," i.e., totaling in the four if not three digits, i.e., not a significant part of the music-listening audience by any estimation"
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
which is why i could have posted "does anyone listen to whiney or does he just exist in RT form," but i felt that sounded less "check yourself" and more "fuck you" than i wanted
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
i'd think we want more critics would talk about groups they like without a large audience. i don't need everyone's two cents on music everyone's hearing.
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:20 (nine years ago) link
We definitely need more and more written through articles on every derivative 90s throwback band from Philadelphia and Boston, good call
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link
:(
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
happy 2 contribute
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
would you respect them if i said they toured with malkmus?
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4e2yXplc74
see these are people they're cheering
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
I guess it is possible in this current click-driven media world that Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, the NY Times, and NPR would choose to highlight this indie-rock band even though no "real people" listen to them, or go to their gigs, but who knows. Its fine not to like them, but that's a different thing than pretending that the indie-rock crowd that does like them does not exist
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
write articles about Thaylobleu instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijf1iqsPlJw
― DJP, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
or in addition, if you've got the bandwidth
basically, I want ppl to write about Thaylobleu
i have never made money from writing about music and clearly no one would want to be such a person, you are all disgusting misanthropes
but i listened to speedy ortiz this morning and they rule
― j., Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link
they're pretty popular! they play all over the world. they tour like crazy.
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 April 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
it seems a lot of music writers use reddit now http://www.reddit.com/r/listentothis/comments/33mijz/ama_were_speedy_ortiz_a_band_from_massachusetts/
― katherine, Thursday, 23 April 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
MeagerSquib, I love that guy, we're writer bros, KillerVelocity and I had a conversation about poptimsim, oh man, so many familiar faces
― katherine, Thursday, 23 April 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link