Radar Love: DAREDEVIL show on NETFLIX

he was great in boardwalk

I've got as far as episode 5, thankfully there wasn't any violence as ludicrously gory as Fisk vs. the Russian guy in that one, it was just stupid. I'm still not convinced on their take of the Kingpin: I get it that they're trying to humanize him by showing him in the early stages of his empire-building, showing his courtship with Vanessa, and it seems they're also setting him up as a counterpart to DD (both grew up in Hell's Kitchen, both lost their dads when they were young, etc), but that doesn't make him a particularly impressive villain... Together with D'Onofrio's weird hushed voice acting and fairly average physique, he doesn't have the larger-than-life villain quality the comic book version has.

Based on how Matt explains his powers to Claire in ep 5, it seems the TV Daredevil doesn't have the radar sense of the comic book version! It's weird if they're not using it, it's such an important part of the character. Maybe they thought it'd be too hard to depict visually in a live-action series?

honestly I prefer violence that's actually unpleasant and disturbing to the endless parade of bloodless shootings and beatings in most PG-13 marvel action

so this is a breath of fresh air, in that it's never fun to hear the surround sound of crunching bone

2 eps in, really into it

flashbacks with his dad are great, legit teared up over some of that

The funniest thing is watching this and the 1943 Batman serial, which TCM is showing a chapter per week on Saturday mornings. All cut from the same cloth — dames in peril, bad guys dressed up as cops, you know the drill. Both fun.

Have only watched one. Unlike most, haven't loved the action scenes so much; I can't get past non-superpowered people taking brutal hits and then in one second recovering to whip out another sequence of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon moves.

Two episodes in; enjoyed it! The Park Chan-Wook rip off corridor fight was nicely put together. A bit maudlin/cliche/sadistic I suppose but not too much for the better bits not to land.

FOGGY BEAR

Melvin Potter!

Yeah!

If anything I am impressed by how many characters they included with minor alterations while leaving them completely recognizable. Owlsley, Turk, both good. The casting for Foggy and Karen is excellent. D'Onofrio's large man physicality is exactly how I'd expect Fisk to be, and there are a few shots (including one where he, let's be vague to avoid spoilers, pulls open a rolling door in the last episode) where he has great body language.

finished 9 episodes. this has been outstanding tbh, far exceeding any possible expectations - which for me are pretty low given that I have only liked a few recent marvel things (like guardians). it has its own voice and tone, which (aside from guardians and some of the iron man films) is not a quality of the marvel shit

Just finished chugging the last four episodes. I'm going to hold off on judgments for the time being.

bowling ball was a bit O_o

seven episodes down and i'm really enjoying this. charlie cox has definitely grown on me, and i actually kinda like his black costume. i'm less sure about the red one which netflix have blithely spoilered by including it in their thumbnail for the show - i guess it might look better in motion when it shows up?

one thing that bugs me is that they're happy to depict graphic violence but seem oddly reticent about swearing, restricting themselves to a couple of 'shits' and a 'dickhead' each episode. depicting severed hands and car-door decapitations and endless brutal beatings: just fine. foggy saying 'fuck' once in a while: not cool.

Not really looking for a Frank Miller-esque blood-fest out of this

Miller's Daredevil comics were produced under the Comic Book Code, and are not especially bloody.

it's dark but not really the tone of miller's diet of reactionary bullshit

Can you point to the issues of Miller's Daredevil that are politically reactionary?

are you his lawyer?

I haven't read the daredevil comics he wrote, it was a general and figurative statement on what miller starting turning into with the dark knight strikes again and apparently took to ran new heights with holy terror and most certainly took to further parodic extremes with his issues of (IM THE GODDAMN) batman and robin. honestly that's the whole miller tone. didn't think it was that controversial to call it reactionary, even if that's not the perfect word.

*started

You were worried that they would adapt comics you haven't read for the Daredevil TV series and then add some reactionary politics from comics that aren't about Daredevil (that you have read?)

Tuombot.

lol wtf

Yeah, the series has enough real problems without dragging imaginary ones into the mix.

The quality of the dialogue in the 2nd half of the series went howlingly bad. And Woll and Henson as Karen and Foggy were great casting physically, but they are horrible terribly shitty actors.

Still, I give the overall series a B+.

my whole point was that as dark as this daredevil series has been, it's still not quite going for the ironic-bitter-chuckle "THIS CITY'S GONE TA HELL" tone that miller invented largely in his narration. (I guess it doesn't count against sin city if you consider that a work of pastiche exaggerated for effect but I'm not sure miller meant it as such tbrr)

which is a good thing. fucks sake.

xp to self "popularized in the mainstream" is prob a better qualifier than "invented" before anyone decides to drop more truth bombs

Miller's runs on the book are not the right primary reference point for this series, imo. I'd call it 80% Bendis, 10% Miller, 10% Lee.

I really like this new cover of "Peace Train" but it's weird that there aren't any lyrics about supporting the fatwah against Salman Rushdie.

I think the Frank Miller reference wasn't really to his Daredevil comics, but the fact that his adapted work as of late (Sin City, 300, etc) has thrust a particular image of him into the popular eye and the public, and possibly the writers, would be interested in capitalizing on the "Frank Miller's Daredevil" theme by incorporating some 2015 Frank Miller.

fwiw I think Miller's work on Daredevil is pretty much the primary reference point for every writer that followed

The Spirit and the last Sin City both bombed. I don't think anyone wants to directly associate Frank Miller's name with their product right now (whatever about his influence on the actual content)

i am genuinely not seeing much miller in the first two eps i saw. too much humor and lack of interior brooding.

did the comics deal with matt's catholicism much before miller picked up the reins? i agree they've not leant as hard on miller as i thought they might but the confession scene right at the start, with the 'forgiveness for what i'm about to do' stuff. seemed brooding in a miller-y manner.

miller would've had the priest be a pedophile and matt is punching him through the confession window
i agree that this feels way more bendis-y. i am hoping it makes the turn into Brubaker which is my fave modern arc.
daredevil is one of the only capes and tights books i got in the habit of buying on sight so it's a pleasure to see they didn't fuck it up too bad.

Vincent D is a good actor but I think he's miscast or maybe just misplaying it here. Reads too sensitive and insecure for Kingpin for me. But overall I think this is a pretty good series.

sensitive/insecure kingpin is a take on the character that was done quite a bit in book (that part would be Miller-esque)

I guess, but it feels like by that point in the comics they've already established that he's a ruthless criminal mastermind. Leading with it just feels a little off to me.

i kinda feel like vanessa is going to be the one to provide fisk with the steel to become the kingpin

also: how did i never notice vincent d'onfrio has a such a fucking massive head before

Also I think it was mentioned above but Kingpin is truly a physically terrifying figure in the comics. Character in show as just a normal slightly to seed bald dude feels weird.

also: how did i never notice vincent d'onfrio has a such a fucking massive head before
--bizarro gazzara

No idea. He has a huge head in FMJ

would have thought they'd do some LTOR style framing to make Fisk appear enormous.

Also I think it was mentioned above but Kingpin is truly a physically terrifying figure in the comics. Character in show as just a normal slightly to seed bald dude feels weird.

the comics kingpin is six-foot-seven and 450lbs, which i guess is kind of a tough nut for casting directors to crack. he seemed scary enough to me when he was literally smashing a man's head off with a car door.

Really? He seemed like a pissy out of control weirdo.

You give anyone enough tries they can smash a dudes head off with a car door you know. Big whoop.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

Cool just put yr head right here and let put on my head snapping smock.

Character in show as just a normal slightly to seed bald dude

Dang, I must have watched a different series entirely because I didn't see that at all.

To be fair I'm only on ep. 8 maybe he gets more impressive....

I'm 4 eps in and generally find it pretty good, but a little OTT violent than it needs to be.