Radar Love: DAREDEVIL show on NETFLIX

just watched ep1:
so much teal
so much orange
so great

like man i wish powers was like even a quarter this solid

Well they're not skimping on the violence

Jesus

3 episodes in, pretty good so far. Points added for the Oldboy style 1-take fight in #2, a good bit of fun. Points subtracted for the ridiculous method of the death at the end of #3. The title sequence looks great with the dripping red, but I hate the theme music. (All the MCU music seems a bit generic/crap to me, films and tv shows.)

I really like this, they seem to even have captured some of Wilson Fisk's multifaceted nature.

Enjoyed ep 1, will watch more. I like the non-corniness of his costume.

I'm down to the third episode, this is pretty good so far, but I'm not sure why it has to have such graphic violence? The episode 3 end kill was pointlessly gory and indulgent, I'm pretty sure people aren't coming to watch a Marvel superhero series to get their gorn kicks. Don't get me wrong, I like that the action is fairly credible and street-level (no crazy kung-fu moves nor acrobatics), but enough is enough.

I'm liking the actors a lot in this one, everyone pretty much nails their part... Except for Vincent D'Onofrio, who is otherwise okay, but I don't get it why he has speak in a corny bad-guy whispery voice? It's incredibly obvious it's not he's real voice, which makes it look like the Kingpin is trying to impress everyone by how evil he sounds.

They seem to be hinting at a romance between Matt and Claire instead of the canonical Matt/Karen pairing? I think it would be a refreshing change, because otherwise this is pretty much following the basic plot beats of the Miller DD comics.

Got to ep 6 and really enjoying this, although I'm a bit concerned Fisk's motivation (as we see during his first date with Vanessa) is an Alex In NYC-esque protest at the gentrification of the city. Looking forward to seeing where it goes, as it's just escalated big style. Having trouble working out exactly which DD era we're supposed to be watching. The state of Manhattan makes it look like Miller-era because OH THE DEPRAVATION but as Tuomas says, Karen seems to be set up to be with Foggy.

Worst violence so far was Fisk and the Russian, even I found that a bit much and I've got a pretty high tolerance for that sort of thing.

I really like the way d'Onofrio is playing Fisk. Confident (but not entirely stonefaced) in business dealings, but very short on social skills and more of a nervous mess when trying to talk to Vanessa.

i have a huge crush in Charlie Cox, really digging this. Gritty but no too much, slow but more methodical, and yaaay characters arent vomiting exposition the way they do in some of these shows
fight scenes are a+

Just started the episode titled "Stick!"

tbh I was really hoping he would show up. Hard to beat a wise mentor whose training regime involves hitting you with... a stick.

this is good stuff

it's dark but not really the tone of miller's diet of reactionary bullshit, and not pretentious either - it's not pretending that this is any sorta grand statement about the human condition or w/e. action is indeed great, well-choreographed and edited.

have been a charlie cox fan since he wandered into boardwalk empire and it's cool to see that so far - 2 episodes in - he's a respectable lead

he was great in boardwalk

I've got as far as episode 5, thankfully there wasn't any violence as ludicrously gory as Fisk vs. the Russian guy in that one, it was just stupid. I'm still not convinced on their take of the Kingpin: I get it that they're trying to humanize him by showing him in the early stages of his empire-building, showing his courtship with Vanessa, and it seems they're also setting him up as a counterpart to DD (both grew up in Hell's Kitchen, both lost their dads when they were young, etc), but that doesn't make him a particularly impressive villain... Together with D'Onofrio's weird hushed voice acting and fairly average physique, he doesn't have the larger-than-life villain quality the comic book version has.

Based on how Matt explains his powers to Claire in ep 5, it seems the TV Daredevil doesn't have the radar sense of the comic book version! It's weird if they're not using it, it's such an important part of the character. Maybe they thought it'd be too hard to depict visually in a live-action series?

honestly I prefer violence that's actually unpleasant and disturbing to the endless parade of bloodless shootings and beatings in most PG-13 marvel action

so this is a breath of fresh air, in that it's never fun to hear the surround sound of crunching bone

2 eps in, really into it

flashbacks with his dad are great, legit teared up over some of that

The funniest thing is watching this and the 1943 Batman serial, which TCM is showing a chapter per week on Saturday mornings. All cut from the same cloth — dames in peril, bad guys dressed up as cops, you know the drill. Both fun.

Have only watched one. Unlike most, haven't loved the action scenes so much; I can't get past non-superpowered people taking brutal hits and then in one second recovering to whip out another sequence of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon moves.

Two episodes in; enjoyed it! The Park Chan-Wook rip off corridor fight was nicely put together. A bit maudlin/cliche/sadistic I suppose but not too much for the better bits not to land.

FOGGY BEAR

Melvin Potter!

Yeah!

If anything I am impressed by how many characters they included with minor alterations while leaving them completely recognizable. Owlsley, Turk, both good. The casting for Foggy and Karen is excellent. D'Onofrio's large man physicality is exactly how I'd expect Fisk to be, and there are a few shots (including one where he, let's be vague to avoid spoilers, pulls open a rolling door in the last episode) where he has great body language.

finished 9 episodes. this has been outstanding tbh, far exceeding any possible expectations - which for me are pretty low given that I have only liked a few recent marvel things (like guardians). it has its own voice and tone, which (aside from guardians and some of the iron man films) is not a quality of the marvel shit

Just finished chugging the last four episodes. I'm going to hold off on judgments for the time being.

bowling ball was a bit O_o

seven episodes down and i'm really enjoying this. charlie cox has definitely grown on me, and i actually kinda like his black costume. i'm less sure about the red one which netflix have blithely spoilered by including it in their thumbnail for the show - i guess it might look better in motion when it shows up?

one thing that bugs me is that they're happy to depict graphic violence but seem oddly reticent about swearing, restricting themselves to a couple of 'shits' and a 'dickhead' each episode. depicting severed hands and car-door decapitations and endless brutal beatings: just fine. foggy saying 'fuck' once in a while: not cool.

Not really looking for a Frank Miller-esque blood-fest out of this

Miller's Daredevil comics were produced under the Comic Book Code, and are not especially bloody.

it's dark but not really the tone of miller's diet of reactionary bullshit

Can you point to the issues of Miller's Daredevil that are politically reactionary?

are you his lawyer?

I haven't read the daredevil comics he wrote, it was a general and figurative statement on what miller starting turning into with the dark knight strikes again and apparently took to ran new heights with holy terror and most certainly took to further parodic extremes with his issues of (IM THE GODDAMN) batman and robin. honestly that's the whole miller tone. didn't think it was that controversial to call it reactionary, even if that's not the perfect word.

*started

You were worried that they would adapt comics you haven't read for the Daredevil TV series and then add some reactionary politics from comics that aren't about Daredevil (that you have read?)

Tuombot.

lol wtf

Yeah, the series has enough real problems without dragging imaginary ones into the mix.

The quality of the dialogue in the 2nd half of the series went howlingly bad. And Woll and Henson as Karen and Foggy were great casting physically, but they are horrible terribly shitty actors.

Still, I give the overall series a B+.

my whole point was that as dark as this daredevil series has been, it's still not quite going for the ironic-bitter-chuckle "THIS CITY'S GONE TA HELL" tone that miller invented largely in his narration. (I guess it doesn't count against sin city if you consider that a work of pastiche exaggerated for effect but I'm not sure miller meant it as such tbrr)

which is a good thing. fucks sake.

xp to self "popularized in the mainstream" is prob a better qualifier than "invented" before anyone decides to drop more truth bombs

Miller's runs on the book are not the right primary reference point for this series, imo. I'd call it 80% Bendis, 10% Miller, 10% Lee.

I really like this new cover of "Peace Train" but it's weird that there aren't any lyrics about supporting the fatwah against Salman Rushdie.

I think the Frank Miller reference wasn't really to his Daredevil comics, but the fact that his adapted work as of late (Sin City, 300, etc) has thrust a particular image of him into the popular eye and the public, and possibly the writers, would be interested in capitalizing on the "Frank Miller's Daredevil" theme by incorporating some 2015 Frank Miller.

fwiw I think Miller's work on Daredevil is pretty much the primary reference point for every writer that followed

The Spirit and the last Sin City both bombed. I don't think anyone wants to directly associate Frank Miller's name with their product right now (whatever about his influence on the actual content)

i am genuinely not seeing much miller in the first two eps i saw. too much humor and lack of interior brooding.

did the comics deal with matt's catholicism much before miller picked up the reins? i agree they've not leant as hard on miller as i thought they might but the confession scene right at the start, with the 'forgiveness for what i'm about to do' stuff. seemed brooding in a miller-y manner.

miller would've had the priest be a pedophile and matt is punching him through the confession window
i agree that this feels way more bendis-y. i am hoping it makes the turn into Brubaker which is my fave modern arc.
daredevil is one of the only capes and tights books i got in the habit of buying on sight so it's a pleasure to see they didn't fuck it up too bad.

Vincent D is a good actor but I think he's miscast or maybe just misplaying it here. Reads too sensitive and insecure for Kingpin for me. But overall I think this is a pretty good series.

sensitive/insecure kingpin is a take on the character that was done quite a bit in book (that part would be Miller-esque)

I guess, but it feels like by that point in the comics they've already established that he's a ruthless criminal mastermind. Leading with it just feels a little off to me.

i'll get around to it eventually i guess

weird how quickly these things ran out of steam, huh? just way too little story for so many episodes in most cases

yeah, and it was immediately obvious even from DD s1

can you watch this season without having watched The Defenders?

― dan selzer, Friday, November 9, 2018 10:01 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, as long as you know that everyone thought DD was killed by a collapsing building at the end of that series (he was not actually killed, so sorry 2 spoil), there aren't really any other strong ties.

If nothing else, I'd recommend y'all check out the fight scene alluded to by Ned upthread. It's a dope long take (something like 11-12 minutes) of Matt trying to escape a prison riot that they must've spent forever rehearsing in order to make it look like such an unstructured brawl.

The bulk of one of the late season episodes is a flashback to Karen's pre-DD days in her small Vermont town which goes a long way towards explaining why she seems so goddamn haunted all the time, basically like a little indie film casually dropped into the mix. YMMV as to whether that sounds at all appealing.

(Also this is probably a good place to once again express my surprise in discovering that Cloak and Dagger is actually, imo, at least as good as the best of the Netflix shows.)

yeah the only one of these shows I got into at all was Luke Cage but everything good about that show should've been compressed into a couple tight 8 or 10-episode seasons

i really enjoyed s3 of this tbh

punisher and dd are probably the only good superhero tv shows, and better than a lot of superhero movies

I appreciate how consistently oppressive it's been with the sense that Fisk controls every goddamn piece on the board and, with two episodes to go, there's no clear path for DD & co. to come out on top.

Also appreciate how Matt has mostly just been getting the shit kicked out of him all season with very little that might be considered a win.

I've loved all 3 seasons of DD. Actress playing Karen still the weak link for me (I skipped her solo episode) but otherwise one of the best superhero adaptations, IMHO.

they're good there's just way too much TV and that goes double for superhero stuff. I loved Legion and never even watched S2 of that

I'm about halfway through S3 and really enjoying it so far. Defenders kinda killed my interest in the whole Marvel Netflix thing (didn't bother with Iron Fist) but I'm glad I jumped back in. I completely forgot they even made Punisher until just now!

I watched series 3 about a month ago and enjoyed it. I thought I was coming to it late so surprised that it seems most people are watching it now.
MIght go back and watch the rest of Cloak & Dagger which i got several episodes into. Think other things turned up at the same time or something.