Iguodala is a pretty fucking wretched offensive player at this point
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
yeah i don't think losing thabo dramatically alters the hawks odds, he'd barely been back and can't imagine he was a big part of whatever strategy budd is working on, but he was definitely a contributer and i don't think they're better off w/o him by any means. whether he's an asset or liability on the court dependent on the situation but that's pretty much what bench players in the playoffs are useful, bandages for specific contexts.
― balls, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
theres a difference between being like just inefficient and just not being able to make basic drives/passes and so forth
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
thabo's per 36 is 10-8-2-2 with 1.4 turnovers, he's not a YMCA player man
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/the-nba-players-union-isnt-happy-with-the-nypd-1697036846
― balls, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
hes a ymca player
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
I think you've seen him do some embarrassing stuff occasionally and are hating a lil' bit
I think if you throw the ball to thabo and no one is there he can dunk it and stuff
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
maybe if no one is there
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
saying Iguodala was "inefficient" would sound better if there was actual production going with it
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
a straight routine drive to the rim with like an at all contested finish is dicey for him tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
Iguodala per 36: 10.7-4.5-3.9-1.6-0.4 w/ 1.6 TOsYMCA Thabo Sefo: 10.3-8.2-2.8-2.0-0.8 w/ 1.4
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
as a fixture on the ymca circuit i can tell you he is not a ymca player
― Heez, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
iggy had a minute when he was playing better but yeah he really fell off a cliff the last few years whats up w that, i guess he is kinda the prototypical reliant on athleticism type but he always seemed like a decently skilled player even if he never had one really good offensive skill
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
iggy at least defenses still guard even if maybe they shdnt thabo u dont have to guard
one time they filmed a real world dc at my ymca and the cast tried to play in a pick up game. they were definitely not ymca players
― Heez, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
imo the reason thabo can't shoot anymore is that defense started guarding him a little (slow release)
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
thabo shooting 41/32 while never being guarded btw not sure what that is in per 36min averages
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
thabo had two years where he shot the three well
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
I just totally disagree with the idea that there's no place for defensive role players. You really don't need 5 great scorers on the court, as the Warriors are proving. Yeah Bogut can pass a little, and a guy like Rodman had OREB and passing too, but it's ok and perhaps even a net positive to have guys who are entirely focused on defense. There hasn't been some sea change where guys like that aren't useful. They were useful back in the 70s and 80s when pace was high and they're useful now too.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, April 10, 2015 6:28 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
right and the league adjusted imo. Started doing soft close outs.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
i feel like in todays game u need to be able todo some offense, like even if u are big #1 rim protecting center at least be able to catch and dunk on the roll
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
I mean look at the Rockets with Pat Bev. There's not a lot on offense there, and they really miss him.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
i mean like fine i u want to use him situationally off the bench to cool down a primary scorer but they cldve got someone better for that role prob
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
beverly can like dribble and stuff, thabos a stiff!
well he's a point guard, relative to their positional skill set we're talking about a similar situation
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
I mean Thabo's getting 10 pp36 somehow right? if he's doing that without dribbling I'm impressed!
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
the hawks offense is god is how i break it down to an extent
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
Well that's the situation where defensive role players thrive so...
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
but if they got someone better then they wouldve been even better
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
i mean they gave that dude 4m a year for three years!
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
theres a million D and no three players available for way less than that
Well now you're changing gears
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
imo the thing with thabo is he's like the most replaceable player i can think of
― call all destroyer, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
thabo sefolosha is definitely replaceable. but it makes perfect sense that he won a title with that pistons team - which was a madcap collection of roleplayers and B+ dudes w/o a clear star (although i guess sheed was more of a star than even the best-known hawks player) - and also why he's on a team like the hawks now.
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
uhh
― call all destroyer, Friday, 10 April 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
you are thinking of someone else i think?
aw what the hell. *facepalm*
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
i was thrown by the picture matt deployed which is in fact ben wallace and my mind went poof, woooowwww
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
let me make up for that incredibly dumbassed mistake with a predictable yet amusing thing about allen iverson i just read, as told by matt barnes:
One early lesson came from Iverson, his teammate for half a season in Philadelphia. “Allen was the first guy that showed me how NBA players spend money in strip clubs,” Barnes says. “That guy went. HARD. He’d throw so much money, and this was when I was first in the league, that I used to take my foot and scoop the s— under my chair and either re-throw it or put some in my pocket. He’d throw $30,000, $40,000 every time we went. I’m like, ‘You realize what I can do with this money?’”
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
Allen "Down Payment" Iverson they called him
― Clay, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
lmao
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
loved that barnes piece love barnes
― k3vin k., Friday, 10 April 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, April 10, 2015 2:46 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i stand by all the parts of my denunciation of thabo
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
well initially it was a denunciation of defensive role players
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
that too, tho as i was clear abt u can have defensive role players they just need to be either a. better than thabo at O or b. big man rim protectors
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
srsly tho ppl like ai who both embrace and expose the absurdity of capitalism are heroes imo
― Clay, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
there was the story when matt gieger bought his house how iverson accidentally left behind a mercedes and a pile of cash
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, April 10, 2015 7:41 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this was not your argument as initially presented, you are changing gears, moving goalposts etc.
If your argument is that there's some really key offensive difference between Andre Iguodala 2015 and Thabo 2015 idk man.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
per 36 stats are deceiving imo, if thabo was decent on offense he would prob shoot more than 4 times per game
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 April 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link