Tinashe - Aquarius (out October 7 2014)

I will argue that it's not just writers who like her though. She has a real world audience

Yeah, of if you ever listen to The Breakfast Club; Charlagmagne hypes her up like she's the second coming of Tupac.

Lol that's pure payola cmon

I mean I don't know that but it's def the most suspect endorsement ever

i guess i mean that writers have seemed to work really hard to place tink in the lineage of very beloved female artists without there being a ton of evidence that she's going to live up to that

and it seems suffocating to me, as someone who finds experiences her music through the press

xxp Haha, I mean, he showers her with such hyperbole that it actually kind of feels genuine to me, albeit in a blogger-y "I discovered this new artist and I want credit when she breaks" sort of way.

I think he even guested on one of her songs? Which I didn't know was something he did.

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I like tink, where's my payola

'All Hands On Deck' - nautical themed = shipping containers? dgi

payola suggestion says more about charlemagne than tink fwiw

i guess i mean that writers have seemed to work really hard to place tink in the lineage of very beloved female artists without there being a ton of evidence that she's going to live up to that

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:32 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and it seems suffocating to me, as someone who finds experiences her music through the press

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:32 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is exactly how i feel too and i'm just confused as to WHY HER? i mean if it was just that she could sing as evan argues, it could have been any of 50 others who impressed a ton more pre-debut

I don't mean to belabor this but you could tell she had something back when I first posted "fingers up" to fader. Obv it's pretty rough around the edges--she can sound a little pitchy, dawg, and it's evident that she's a vehicle for dgainz's song. But there's something of a moral striver in her that's hard to put your finger on ... I think "fingers up" actually captures the attitude better than any of her later songs even, or it's more congruent ... I mean she's from the same chicago as gbe and them but channels all her energy into music as a formal craft of executed gestures, like she's on the school diving team and has to hit the perfect form. like its her only purpose. Its very craft-first, I think a lot of the reason I find the writing about her off putting is so much of it seems to suggest she's some singular auteur who is cultivating a fresh sound when really her whole thing is way less self conscious than that. I guarantee what timbo likes about her is more her willingness to work hard and be shaped around his songs while a bit of her unselfconscious "moral striver" vibe will reflect back on the song and magnify its power...

To get back on topic, Tinashe by contrast feels relatively blank, obv she's got some great songs and I f/w all hands on deck like everybody else but at some level it feels a little "if she didn't exist, a girl In a beanie and timberlands would have to create her"

How is that video yuck though?

the stripper moves are a huge turn-off personally

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, April 8, 2015 5:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really?

― abcfsk, Wednesday, April 8, 2015 6:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really

tbf Charlamagne is ON one of her singles which if that's payola and not him being genuinely enthusiastic is definitely some new weird payola

i did really like that song, though, first thing of hers that really caught my ear

nvm i guess evan kinda said that

this is strange shit to be arguing

regarding who is or isn't getting attention

Yeah back to the great mixtape

Actual arguments > banal enthusiasms

This is why I pay ilx the big bucks

To get back on topic, Tinashe by contrast feels relatively blank, obv she's got some great songs and I f/w all hands on deck like everybody else but at some level it feels a little "if she didn't exist, a girl In a beanie and timberlands would have to create her"

― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, April 9, 2015 11:36 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in my house, i have earned the term "latebloomer." when Ryan first played Aquarius for me, i was like, no. i put her in an Amerie bucket for some reason, i could just never get into Amerie. and then i heard "2 On" on the radio, and the rest was history. her voice has SO much character. And obvs, All Hands on Deck is some of the sickest shit i've ever heard.

like i literally can't stop playing it and am worried about the sanctity of my friendships as a result.

How would you describe that character though?

hmm. she can go hard, she can go soft. she has personality. she has enunciation, and timing. she can go big, she can go small. she has pain in her voice, and she knows how to party. and she also has a zen Jhene Aiko thing working in her favor. lots of things in one package. i think that's what i would say for now.

yeah, I agree with all of those. If anything she's never just one thing and that makes her difficult to pin down (and perhaps sell) I guess.

Weird thing: In DK, 2 On never made it on the big radio channel (we pretty much only have one: public service P3) but Pretend was apparantly a pretty big hit. I like Pretend more than most on this board, but it's still weird.

i don't have problems with anything on the album except How Many Times. Future is just so awful on it. And she really didn't need to mess with Janet.

but xp that is weird

I love Future on How Many Times! What puts you off?

I don't mean to belabor this but you could tell she had something back when I first posted "fingers up" to fader.

lol

tell me I'm wrong though

I love Future on How Many Times! What puts you off?

― longneck, Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:49 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno! i feel like he's just saying "tit" and "bitch" at the end? but maybe i'm just hearing it wrong lol...

xp like i'm saying way more than 'i have been otm in this thread' in that post

yes but

you really can't help yourself can you?

with what? the primary criticism in this thread is 'it makes no sense why people like her, it's fader/fact hype' & my point is that this phenomenon predates all that shit

is it not relevant that my interest predates that?

im just making fun of you for saying "you could tell she had something back when i first posted 'fingers up' to fader" instead of "you could already tell she had something by 'fingers up'" like a normal person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9t02VH6MC0

@ surm lol i think it's actually worse than that, it's "fuck you like real dick / shit bitch, lick lick" which is all kinda gross but in the context of the song it just paints him as totally obsessed with the sex + wide eyed, going at it double time but still you know there's a connection there, he's immersed, they're in some kind of sync, unlike, say, schoolboy's horrid verse on 2 On where he just goes all out to be gross and idk impress her with it? Yuck. And she kinda comes out on top because she somehow isn't all greed, just reflective lust. So yeah he's gross but it still works for me.

taken en masse, all the male voices on Aquarius are so bad, it almost feels like a misandrist concept album

all the male voices on aquarius vs all the male voices on beyoncé

she likes being alone: reasons

lol. i don't mind the male voices on this but to respond:

@ surm lol i think it's actually worse than that, it's "fuck you like real dick / shit bitch, lick lick" which is all kinda gross but in the context of the song it just paints him as totally obsessed with the sex + wide eyed, going at it double time but still you know there's a connection there, he's immersed, they're in some kind of sync, unlike, say, schoolboy's horrid verse on 2 On where he just goes all out to be gross and idk impress her with it? Yuck. And she kinda comes out on top because she somehow isn't all greed, just reflective lust. So yeah he's gross but it still works for me.

― longneck, Thursday, April 9, 2015 5:31 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what's interesting about this is that apparently How Many Times is the only one that she actually did with the rapper in the studio; all others were emailed

but yeah, "shit bitch, lick lick" is the line that always throws me

xxp popping corn

o sorry that little factoid actually applies only to the singles

Who's doing the licking though? Might as well be him.

she likes being alone: reasons

― j., Thursday, April 9, 2015 12:41 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly. there's a line on Amethyst about seeing a guy and hoping he's not a rapper or a singer (though the internet is trying to tell me that she says "I really hope you're a rapper or a singer" which can't be right) because those dudes are only after one thing. Aquarius is like: here's a bunch of those dudes!

that said I like all three of these songs (agree with Frederik that Pretend is good), I just think it's funny how all the men live down to the expectations of some of the lyrics