"Don't I Deserve to be Privileged?" - A Thread for Jazmine Sullivan

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The last half of this record is so much fun!!!

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 April 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link

The last track is really great

, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 00:54 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

is there aaaaaaany in-depth writing on this album at all

"mascara" and "brand new" are worthy of longform essays EACH

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link

hey man I wanted 800 words

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link

there's always dev hynes's review lol

dyl, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link

the show last night was so good and i wish i had double the space for it

maura, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link

she's so fucking solid live

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link

is there aaaaaaany in-depth writing on this album at all

"mascara" and "brand new" are worthy of longform essays EACH

― lex pretend, Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, I actually wrote a longform essay on Mascara back in January. It's in Norwegian though so good luck trying to read it.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2015/01/26/kultur/vers/musikk/37333714/

longneck, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 13:47 (eight years ago) link

ha i had no idea you were norwegian. i might resort to google translate at some point

lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link

google translate makes my head hurt so no need. i only wanted to point out that SOMEONE had indeed written just that.

longneck, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link

don't suppose you'd like to give a go at translating to english here?

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

Translating it all from scratch would take too long but if I can find the time I'll try to put some makeup on the google translate version.

longneck, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

don't we deserve to be priviligert?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 April 2015 01:51 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i heard "brand new" on the radio yesterday :D there was a recording of her introducing it as the new single too

dyl, Friday, 15 May 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link

best song of the decade.

ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 15 May 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link

Literally every word and inflection is fucking perfect on this album, every detail blows me away

lex pretend, Friday, 15 May 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

She is opening for Sam Smith at an outdoor Arena/theatre near DC tonight but sadly several media announcements for the show do not even mention her.

curmudgeon, Friday, 24 July 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link

where's the video for brand new ?

ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 24 July 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link

She's currently pushing "Let It Burn".

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 24 July 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link

six months pass...

I still want to keep growing as a songwriter for as long as I can. This isn't it for me. It doesn't feel like I've arrived just yet.

i love her

dyl, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:07 (eight years ago) link

i feel like the second verse of "brand new" is even better than anything kendrick would have contributed, but i also want to hear this putative remix!

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link

i also have no idea whether he'd go apologetic or battle-of-sexes confrontational, but either way, jazmine's original tells the woman's story fully, and the male response should def be a part 2 rather than built into that

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link

i too would love hearing kendrick on a remix, but sadly i think she has been quietly pushed from mainstream r&b radio to adult r&b radio over the course of this album cycle, where i think such a thing wouldn't take. obv we have discussed the difficulties black women in r&b (and in general) face in the mainstream lately so it seems like the older audience who wants to hear "let it burn" (as they should -- great song!) is where the industry will keep her slotted for some time :\

i remember hearing "brand new" on the mainstream r&b/hip-hop station here a couple times, complete with a recording of jazmine introducing it, but sadly they stopped playing it before long and now the only place i hear her is on the adult station that has "let it burn" in strong rotation

dyl, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link

at both of her 2016 NYC plays (including a free concert with a 5k+ showing and a fairly expensive $40 ticket that sold out about 2.5k), both shows provided an unofficial but consistent demographic: Jazmine's audience is certainly but not drastically older than the mainstream hip hop/R&B radio demographic (heavy on the 20/early 30 somethings), more women than men (maybe a 70/30 split), lots of queer signifiers among the male audience members and a fan base dominated by more than 90% people of color.

It's worth noting that her fans are not casual fans; the crowd was going crazy every time she directly addressed them, did a costume change or tried something new with a song. They were as enthusiastic about cuts from the first album as the new album. She's endowed with the "1000 True Fans" curse/blessing: she'll be able to make a comfortable living as an artist doing it more or less the way she wants to for the rest of her career but unless she kowtows to the market, she's unlikely to have a genre-crossing megahit anytime in the next decade.

ulysses, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link

yeah, that's what i've seen on the few times she's been to the uk, and it applies to a large proportion of my own personal fav artists. i'm not that mad about jazmine not smashing on the charts, i'm mad that she really doesn't get her critical due - or at least, critics seem to ultimately love her but editors don't commission them to write about her. reality show got hardly any critical ink in 2015 and then placed surprisingly high on p&j, and of course there's the grammy nom. but where is the coverage? ok, there's a bit, but she should be talked about alongside kendrick.

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:39 (eight years ago) link

I just remembered I haven't listened to this album in three weeks.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:56 (eight years ago) link

There's an interview with Pitchfork up as well! Shame it's not a part of the "main" site though where I assume more people might see it. http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1016-jazmine-sullivan-on-songwritings-labor-of-love/

art baengels (monotony), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:05 (eight years ago) link

WTF at that crank yankers video for dumb

ulysses, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:47 (eight years ago) link

That was pretty much the audience breakdown when I saw her in Philly too though it seemed to be a bit younger slanted. I looooove that Pitchfork piece, and I just realized that mural is on my way to work and I have never seen it!!

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 14:11 (eight years ago) link

also does an unedited version of "Reality Show" even exist?? every copy I've heard has a bunch of (but not all???) of the *choice words* backmasked. Is this a thing that ppl do?

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link

it's um, up on spotify.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link

I haven't fully gone through the curses but my sense is that she mutes them or not for dramatic/character effect

cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link

oh i see what you're talking about wrt 'Brand New'
yeah, i think you're right lex; compare to '#hoodlove' where such niceties are quickly dropped.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link

same with "b___ don't kill my vibe" on Mascara

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link

ha i wondered this for ages re: the editing

reminds me of being unable to find a completely unedited version of the miseducation of lauryn hill back in the day

dyl, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link

i just filed a profile of jazmine; i hung out with her at her mom's place

maura, Thursday, 11 February 2016 04:28 (eight years ago) link

whoa rad

get a long, little doggy (m bison), Thursday, 11 February 2016 05:07 (eight years ago) link

Rad, please link when its up?

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 February 2016 05:37 (eight years ago) link

Awesome! Are the grammys the sole reason for all of this recent promo or is she just finally getting the spotlight she has long deserved?

art baengels (monotony), Thursday, 11 February 2016 05:50 (eight years ago) link

i think it's the grammys

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 February 2016 06:34 (eight years ago) link

in that case hoping to see some more writeups of kehlani and the internet!

art baengels (monotony), Thursday, 11 February 2016 06:58 (eight years ago) link

here you go :)

https://www.redbulletin.com/us/us/culture/jazmine-sullivan-is-rbs-new-queen

maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 15:08 (eight years ago) link

nice piece Maura!
i love this moment from the live version of "Forever Don't Last"; when she does this, it's so clear that she acts as a very real avatar for a meaningful portion of her audience that doesn't often hear their voice on the radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeIg6BaEDbg#t=2m23s

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 February 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link

bah, got the embed wrong, jump to 2.19

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 February 2016 15:31 (eight years ago) link

Definitely agree. I felt it when I saw her in Boston last year, too.

maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 15:36 (eight years ago) link

great piece maura :)

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 12 February 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link

thank you lex :) talking to you on saturday helped crystallize a lot of its bits in my mind!

maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

Sounds like a flip of xscape who can I run to

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 26 June 2021 06:17 (two years ago) link

Or Jones girls I guess originally

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 26 June 2021 06:44 (two years ago) link

last night at the BET Awards she did a performance of "On It" with Ari Lennox and while it wasn't as great as her Soul Train Awards performance it was still excellent to see them singing about women's sexual pleasure on their terms. I know we've had twenty years of Lil Kim and so on, so explicit and raunchy isn't a big deal, but I think to see stuff performed with no "gimmicks" etc is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dr8LmhjiYU

boxedjoy, Monday, 28 June 2021 20:53 (two years ago) link


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